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OK, so yesterday I was playing with the GIMP 2.2, and last night I
played with my dad's copy of PhotoShop Elements 4.0.
The problem basically seems to boil down to the fact that it is
virtually impossible to draw with a mouse. Drawing with the GIMP, all
the lines come out horribly wobbly. PhotoShop seems to smooth the mouse
input somewhat, so lines come out less wiggly.
But even so, no matter what software I use, if you move the mouse in a
circle, it draws a square with rounded corners. It seems the mouse is
very keen to move in the horizontal and vertical directions, and resists
moving in any other directions. Very irritating...
kinda tempted here... (Who knows? Maybe some kind soul will get it for
my birthday...)
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I didn't get very far with the GIMP. The extreme uncontrollability of
the lines made me give up rather quickly. PhotoShop seems much better in
this regard, although I still couldn't get decent curves out of the
cheap optical mouse.
I did play around with layers. Apart from PhotoShop mysteriously
changing the active layer every 3 seconds, it worked quite well. I had a
go at scanning one of my drawings, inking it up, colouring and
counter-shading it.
One thing I did have a problem with is that the brush tool draws
beautifully anti-aliased lines, but then the flood fill tool doesn't
fill right up to the edges. It leaves a useless white gap around the
edges of the lines. Presumably there's a simple way around this?
Also, I haven't yet figured out how to fill in the counter-shading
without accidentally drawing over the outlines. (But I didn't really
look into it very much, so it might be something simple.)
I also had a go at reading the paper manual - but, apart from several
*extensive* chapters on how to import, catelogue and organise your
photos (yeah, like I care), most chapters were 1 page long and said
"hey, yeah, there's this cool feature - see the online help for more
info". Very useful.
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47cd1e37@news.povray.org...
> "hey, yeah, there's this cool feature - see the online help for more
> info". Very useful.
There are lots of PS tutorials on Youtube. Most are for the full version
(not Elements) but some of the tricks probably apply too.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=photoshop
The "You suck at Photoshop" series is both useful and funny (and sad...).
G.
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> But even so, no matter what software I use, if you move the mouse in a
> circle, it draws a square with rounded corners. It seems the mouse is very
> keen to move in the horizontal and vertical directions, and resists moving
> in any other directions. Very irritating...
Try turning off mouse pointer acceleration in control panel (I think it's
called "Enhance Pointer Precision" now) - the algorithms used in Windows are
quite complex to make the mouse move around in a "natural" way, but are
useless if you're trying to draw something carefully. Turning off
acceleration makes it a linear relation between mouse movement and pointer
movement.
IIRC one of the improvements in Vista was that pointer acceleration is done
on a vector basis rather than on the x and y axis separately, which would
probably explain why drawing a circle gives a rounded square in XP or
earlier.
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And lo on Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:02:30 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> did
spake, saying:
> I didn't get very far with the GIMP. The extreme uncontrollability of
> the lines made me give up rather quickly. PhotoShop seems much better in
> this regard, although I still couldn't get decent curves out of the
> cheap optical mouse.
One of the reasons I prefer dealing with vectors.
> I did play around with layers. Apart from PhotoShop mysteriously
> changing the active layer every 3 seconds, it worked quite well. I had a
> go at scanning one of my drawings, inking it up, colouring and
> counter-shading it.
>
> One thing I did have a problem with is that the brush tool draws
> beautifully anti-aliased lines, but then the flood fill tool doesn't
> fill right up to the edges. It leaves a useless white gap around the
> edges of the lines. Presumably there's a simple way around this?
Yeah put your brushed lines on one layer and the flood fill on another,
not sure of the defaults in Elements, but you can set the background of
any new layer to transparent. So let's say you create your brush strokes
on one layer then add in a graduated flood fill on another, move that
layer beneath the brush stokes and the antialiasing will allow the fill to
come through. Then add another graduated flood fill in another layer, put
it between the other two and change its overall transparency. :-)
> Also, I haven't yet figured out how to fill in the counter-shading
> without accidentally drawing over the outlines. (But I didn't really
> look into it very much, so it might be something simple.)
Outlines on another layer. If in doubt layer it.
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>> I didn't get very far with the GIMP. The extreme uncontrollability of
>> the lines made me give up rather quickly. PhotoShop seems much better
>> in this regard, although I still couldn't get decent curves out of the
>> cheap optical mouse.
>
> One of the reasons I prefer dealing with vectors.
Yeah. That and the fact that you can continually *change* the line after
you've drawn it...
>> One thing I did have a problem with is that the brush tool draws
>> beautifully anti-aliased lines, but then the flood fill tool doesn't
>> fill right up to the edges. It leaves a useless white gap around the
>> edges of the lines. Presumably there's a simple way around this?
>
> Yeah put your brushed lines on one layer and the flood fill on another,
> not sure of the defaults in Elements, but you can set the background of
> any new layer to transparent. So let's say you create your brush strokes
> on one layer then add in a graduated flood fill on another, move that
> layer beneath the brush stokes and the antialiasing will allow the fill
> to come through. Then add another graduated flood fill in another layer,
> put it between the other two and change its overall transparency. :-)
Um... how do you fill in a shape if it's in another layer?
>> Also, I haven't yet figured out how to fill in the counter-shading
>> without accidentally drawing over the outlines. (But I didn't really
>> look into it very much, so it might be something simple.)
>
> Outlines on another layer. If in doubt layer it.
Hmm, interesting...
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> Um... how do you fill in a shape if it's in another layer?
In PSP there's a check-box in the Fill tool that says "Use all layers".
Check this and it will do the flood fill in the current layer but using the
other layers to check for boundaries etc (or whatever settings you have).
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:52:30 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>Um... how do you fill in a shape if it's in another layer?
You can create a mask from the layer that you use as a reference, save it and
import it into the fill layer. Masks are good tools as well they limit the
drawing area for you.
Regards
Stephen
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47cd1a79$1@news.povray.org...
> The problem basically seems to boil down to the fact that it is
> virtually impossible to draw with a mouse. Drawing with the GIMP, all
> the lines come out horribly wobbly. PhotoShop seems to smooth the mouse
> input somewhat, so lines come out less wiggly.
>
> But even so, no matter what software I use, if you move the mouse in a
> circle, it draws a square with rounded corners. It seems the mouse is
> very keen to move in the horizontal and vertical directions, and resists
> moving in any other directions. Very irritating...
Get a better mouse. I can draw reasonably well with mine (Logitach laser
mouse), though I still prefer the tablet if I'm doing anything more than a
couple minutes fiddle.
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scott wrote:
>> But even so, no matter what software I use, if you move the mouse in a
>> circle, it draws a square with rounded corners. It seems the mouse is
>> very keen to move in the horizontal and vertical directions, and
>> resists moving in any other directions. Very irritating...
>
> Try turning off mouse pointer acceleration in control panel (I think
> it's called "Enhance Pointer Precision" now) - the algorithms used in
> Windows are quite complex to make the mouse move around in a "natural"
> way, but are useless if you're trying to draw something carefully.
> Turning off acceleration makes it a linear relation between mouse
> movement and pointer movement.
Thanks for the tip. Doing this does result in a small increase in
controllability, but not very much. It's still infuriatingly hard to
draw anything half-decent. (And it makes the mouse rather slow and
unresponsive when you're just trying to work Windoze. So I'll probably
leave it how it was.)
It seems clear to me now that I need a decent input device if I'm
remotely serious about this course of action.
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