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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 14:26:21
Message: <47c85c5d$1@news.povray.org>


>> 1. Where the hell did he get a computer screen you can draw on??
> 
> Heh, it's a pretty expensive beast he has.

Here you go:

http://www.cad-forums.com/showthread.php?p=2530617


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 14:46:01
Message: <47c860f9@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> 1. Where the hell did he get a computer screen you can draw on??
> 
> Heh, it's a pretty expensive beast he has.
> 
>> 2. What the hell is the software he's using?! It seems to have almost 
>> unlimited capabilities...
> 
> Photoshop CS2, like the FAQ says.
> 
> Lots of people get pirated Photoshop and never use features much beyond 
> what Paint has... But it has way more features.

Well, whuddya know:

Exif IFD0

     * Picture Orientation = normal (1)
     * X-Resolution = 3000000/10000 = 300
     * Y-Resolution = 3000000/10000 = 300
     * X/Y-Resolution Unit = inch (2)
     * Software/Firmware Version = Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows
     * Last Modified Date/Time = 2006:12:22 22:16:30


Wow. Surprised he didn't use Adobe Illustrator, which one would think 
would be more suited to this kind of work, but then again, I think Scott 
Adams mentioned he uses Photoshop with the same type of drawing tablet. 
So, apparently it's a "standard" among comic artists.

I'll have to watch the vid at home ...And, yeah .. Wacom makes tablets 
with a built-in monitor... Kinda neat, But my Intuos postage stamp (6x4, 
I think?) fits my budget better. I've done some line-arty type stuff in 
PS before, using paths. Someone mentioned that PS has more features than 
people generally use. Very true, I usually only use it for processing 
and adjusting photos. CS3 has an even more extensive feature set (I use 
this because my camera (40D) is only supported in the new Camera Raw.


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 14:48:53
Message: <47c861a5$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> 1. Where the hell did he get a computer screen you can draw on??
> 
>   There are graphics tablets which can show the image.

Advanced. So, like, it's as expensive as a high-end tablet *and* a 
high-end monitor? Must cost a fortune! o_O

>> 2. What the hell is the software he's using?! It seems to have almost 
>> unlimited capabilities...
> 
>   Ever heard of this software called Photoshop?

Yes. [Although obviously I've never seen it, only heard that it exists. 
It seems more like a legend than a real commercial product...]

I thought it only does bitmap manipulations though. The software he's 
using seems to be vector-based.

(But that's the puzzling thing - some of the things he's doing with it 
aren't possible with vector graphics either, so... hmm, I'm confused.)

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:18:53
Message: <47c868ad$1@news.povray.org>

> I thought it only does bitmap manipulations though. The software he's 
> using seems to be vector-based.

Nope, he's just using a ridiculously-high image size.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:23:00
Message: <47c869a4$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Yes. [Although obviously I've never seen it, only heard that it exists. 
> It seems more like a legend than a real commercial product...]

Go download a free trial of it. Go to Adobe, now! Download DOWNLOAD 
*DOWNLOAD*!!! It'll last 30 days, then you'll be hooked.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:25:38
Message: <47c86a42$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> I thought it only does bitmap manipulations though. The software he's 
> using seems to be vector-based.

It does some vector stuff, and some bitmap stuff. Shapes and paths are 
the vector bits.

Also, with a pressure sensitive tablet, it can be a lot like painting. 
The harder you press, the thicker the line, but all of these can be 
changed. My tablet is even tilt sensitive, which with a little skill can 
be used for calligraphic strokes.


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:31:49
Message: <47c86bb5$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:

> Go download a free trial of it. Go to Adobe, now! Download DOWNLOAD 
> *DOWNLOAD*!!! It'll last 30 days, then you'll be hooked.

I went online and had a look at the prices of various Adobe and Wacom 
products.

And then ran away. And hid. In a dark corner.

Damn, that's some expensive stuff... And I can't even draw! o_O

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:33:11
Message: <47c86c07$1@news.povray.org>
>> I thought it only does bitmap manipulations though. The software he's 
>> using seems to be vector-based.
> 
> Nope, he's just using a ridiculously-high image size.

Woah...! o_O

You mean he managed to scale, rotate, bend and alter *bitmaps* and not 
get distortion? That's pretty unbelievable!

But then, the whole clip is pretty unbelievable... Seriously, it looks 
like SciFi. I had no idea that technology like this was commercially 
available. I mean, DAMN...!

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:39:35
Message: <47c86d87$1@news.povray.org>
Having got over just how amazing his hardware and software is, several 
other facts strike me:

1. This is speeded up 600 times? And it still takes, like, 20 minutes 
for him to draw the whole thing? Wow, that's a long time! (And the 
finished image looks so easy...)

[I was actually toying with the idea of making a web comic of my own. 
Now I see what an absurd idea that is.]

2. He can do stuff with pencil and paper that I couldn't do in my 
wildest daydreams. I mean, if you left me in a room with a pad of paper 
for 20 years, I still couldn't produce anything approaching this level 
of sophistication.

3. He seems to draw and re-draw and constantly tweak everything way more 
than I would have imagined. I assumed he was one of these people who can 
just draw a line and do it perfectly every time. But no, actually he 
seems to spend quite a lot of time adjusting each part to get it just 
so. No wonder the final image looks so damn fine!

4. Woah, that's A LOT of levels of shading!

5. There are quite a few parts where he's not *drawing* anything, just 
pressing buttons on the UI. It's hard to see what he's doing. But the 
software seems to have some impressive area colouring capabilities!

6. This guy clearly has more talent in his left toenail than I have in 
my entire body. Even if I somehow purchased the hardware and software 
that he has, I wouldn't know what to do with it. Just... wow. I should 
go away and be quiet now...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Curiosity
Date: 29 Feb 2008 15:46:15
Message: <47c86f17$1@news.povray.org>

> [I was actually toying with the idea of making a web comic of my own. 
> Now I see what an absurd idea that is.]

Oh cmon, you don't need to have CAD's artistic quality. Can you draw 
comics as good as xkcd?

> 3. He seems to draw and re-draw and constantly tweak everything way more 
> than I would have imagined. I assumed he was one of these people who can 
> just draw a line and do it perfectly every time. But no, actually he 
> seems to spend quite a lot of time adjusting each part to get it just 
> so. No wonder the final image looks so damn fine!

Well, that was another comment he got often.
"You're a damned perfectionist you know that...?"

> 4. Woah, that's A LOT of levels of shading!

Lots of people noticed details while watching the video that they had 
never noticed on the comics themselves.

> 6. This guy clearly has more talent in his left toenail than I have in 
> my entire body. Even if I somehow purchased the hardware and software 
> that he has, I wouldn't know what to do with it. Just... wow. I should 
> go away and be quiet now...

Challenge him in Haskell programming?

Different people have *different* skills.


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