On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:50:35 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Only hyper-nerds are going to be able to get anything remotely useful
> out of a dump file. To everybody else, it's just wasted disk space.

We've had this discussion before.  It doesn't take a hyper-nerd to get 
info out of a dump file.  Just a good debugger and access to the source 
code.

As for confidential data being leaked, the core file typically will 
contain just the crashed program info, but if it's reproducible, you send 
them a core from a simplified setup.

Jim

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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:56:48 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> I tried to go down that road. I found too many things I couldn't do
>> without Windoze. Sadly...
>
> Like what?  I do have a couple apps that I need Windows for, and I have a
> VMware machine for those circumstances.  Like the odd MS Excel XML
> document that won't open in OpenOffice (had one a couple days ago like
> that).  Usually they open fine, but every once in a while the converter
> just seizes up.
>

I'm considering Ubuntu but I need to know if there is something free 
available like CorelDraw or Illustrator. I need to be able to export vectors 
to pdf and fonts and I like all the advanced capabillities of Corel and 
Illustrator.

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"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I'm considering Ubuntu but I need to know if there is something free
> available like CorelDraw or Illustrator.

I can't recommend Inkscape enough.
http://www.inkscape.org

just after installing Ubuntu, go to Applications -> Add/Remove and search for
it.  Or just download the version for Windows and play with it.

> I need to be able to export vectors
> to pdf

it exports to PDF, Postscript, povray (paths to prism) and a lot of others.  Its

tool, which is one of the smoothest I've ever touched.

> and fonts and I like all the advanced capabillities of Corel and
> Illustrator.

I'm actually reading the Adobe Features page of Illustrator, having done some
work myself previously on Corel Draw (some years ago).  Most of the features
seem to be  just there, like tracing bitmaps automatically, gaussian blur etc.
Try it for yourself to see if it matches.  Of course, don't expect the same
interface or the same way of doing the same things.

here's a nice sample of what it can do, from a fellow brazilian:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8295/capturadatelavc6.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4769/capturadatela2lj4.jpg

looks like acrylic painting to me... :)

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>> ...which is what I meant. If HP gets to pick what hardware goes in, they
>> can pick exactly the hardware that works with whichever OS they're
>> preloading.
> 
> Sure.  Now, how surprised are you going to be when I tell you that my HP 
> didn't come with openSUSE installed, but with Vista installed, and I 
> installed openSUSE with no problems?

That's a little different, yeah.

> (Only thing not working is 
> wireless, and I don't care about that - but I understand there are 
> drivers for Linux for it, just can't be bothered).

One of the prime areas that doesn't work, so I'm told. (I don't use such 
technology myself, so...)

> This thing's got an 
> Nvidia chipset ethernet card in it, not exactly a common type of ethernet 
> card, at least not in my experience.

My motherboard has the nVidia nForce IV chipset. For quite a while I had 
trouble with various distros not recognising either the Ethernet ports 
or the SATA ports. (Guess where my HD is...) Makes installing the OS 
interesting when it can't find your HD. (Also, the early nForce driver 
would enumerate the HDs in reverse order, which is damn confusing...)

>> :-|   <== not shocked face.
> 
> Given that you're on v7, I'm not surprised. :-)

Well, so many applications won't uninstall cleanly. :-S

>> Like I said, Linux has now become pretty easy to use once it's set up
>> right. I find it's still tricky to set it up correctly sometimes, but
>> once it works it's really not much different to Windoze. [Except no
>> random OS crashes.]
> 
> It can be, particularly with laptops.  As I said, 5 years ago, it was 
> fairly painful on laptops (in particular), but today the support is very 
> good.

Something like 8 years ago, I was manually editing the X11 configuration 
file to tell it what DAC chip my graphics card has in it... o_O

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Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Well, so many applications won't uninstall cleanly. :-S

I truly hope you're not doing "rm -f /usr/bin/fooapp"

O_o

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And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:11:27 -0000, scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> did  
spake, saying:

>>>> From Amazon the non-OEM non-upgrade 32-bit versions
>>>>




>>>
>>> You'd be silly not to buy the OEM version though...
>>
>> I agree, except the point is these are the real prices Microsoft are  
>> trying to sell their operating system for. You're essentially saying  
>> it's silly to buy that suit from the actual store when you can get it  
>> cheaper in their 'factory' store except what is the cheaper price based  
>> upon?
>
> Actually I read an interesting article the other day about things like  
> this, where you get certain groups of people to pay more for essentially  
> the same product.  Like when cinemas charge kids and OAPs half-price,  
> what they're actually doing is charging people who have a job and can  
> afford it double. Seems the same with MS here, they're just charging  
> people who aren't geeks a lot more.  Which kind of makes sense, as the  
> geeks are the ones most likely to switch to another OS...

Try  
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Undercover-Economist-Tim-Harford/dp/0349119856/ he  
discusses much the same thing though he concentrates on how companies get  
us to differentiate ourselves by the amount we spend. For example  
Sainsbury's bananas are 14p each, Sainsbury's Fair Trade bananas are 22p  
each; do you think the entire extra 8p per banana is going to the grower?

-- 
Phil Cook

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And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:27:28 -0000, Jim Henderson  
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:49:23 +0100, scott wrote:
>
>>> Well I don't live in America, do I? :-P
>>
>> Didn't they take over Asda in the UK?
>
> Yep.  And I hope Asda treats their employees better than they (Wallmart)
> do over here.

Fortunately I think the only practice that got transferred over was having  
a greeter on the door.

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Phil Cook

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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Well, so many applications won't uninstall cleanly. :-S
> 
> I truly hope you're not doing "rm -f /usr/bin/fooapp"
> 
> O_o

I meant on Windoze. :-P

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nemesis wrote:
> "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> I'm considering Ubuntu but I need to know if there is something free
>> available like CorelDraw or Illustrator.
> 
> I can't recommend Inkscape enough.
> http://www.inkscape.org

I use it on Windoze. It works OK. Has a few annoying features, but I'm 
not aware of any other tool that does what Inskape does...

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>> Or send them the core file.
>
> I'm pretty sure my employer would freak out about all the potentially 
> confidential data I'd be leaking...

Yeh I have that problem a lot.  One of the pieces of software we run (not by 
MS btw!) crashes a lot and they keep requesting I send them my files for 
them to see why it's crashing.  Except they're all confidential so I can't 
send them the files.  Great.  There's not really any way to move forward 
with this...

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