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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:46:56 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> It might if you can believe the "porkies" that all politicians are born
> sprouting
True....
> Anyway I wasn't arguing (I think
<g>
Jim
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:03:11 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>> True, but nobody ever said life was easy, either. The problem is that
>> it's often difficult to distinguish between lazy/unmotivated and when
>> something's truly too difficult.
>
> True, some people think that because they've just one type of job they
> *deserve* exactly the same type of job regardless of availabilty and
> reject anything else. I may have mentioned my father who went from TV
> repairman to shop manager to refuse collector to warehouse manager.
Yep. I always have figured that I deserve the type of job I am willing
to work for. I'm not entitled to any kind of job.
That's one of the problems in society these days - a lot of people feel
they are entitled to things they need to be working for.
>> We've watched a bit of that discussion on PMQT (we get about 30 minutes
>> of that a week on CSPAN over here). Of course, PMQT is entertaining in
>> and of itself as you watch people try to avoid answering direct
>> questions directly.
>
> for people read politicians :-)
Well, yeah, of course. ;-)
>> Yeah, ain't that the truth. I need to read your blog entry, somehow it
>> didn't show up. That's on LJ, isn't it?
>
> I did sign up for LJ to read your entries my actual blog's on
> http://flipc.blogspot.com
Ah, noted. :-)
>> Egg, that's the one. We're generally like that as well (got one card
>> that's nearly maxxed out at over $10K, due to the need to replace our
>> boiler - but at a great interest rate; the others don't get used hardly
>> at all). Yet they keep raising our limits; it's to the point that I'm
>> actively afraid to use the cards for fear I'll go crazy and max them
>> all out and not be able to make even the minimum payments. Better they
>> just sit in the safe unused.
>
> They keep pestering me to borrow money. My parents find this amusing
> when I mention it, apparently back in ye olden days you pratically had
> to beg and sign your contract in blood to get a loan; now it's - "please
> borrow money off us"
Yeah; at the same time that I'm hearing about Citi dropping people's
credit limits, they've bumped mine up yet again. They are *really* going
to be surprised when the tax refund shows up in a couple of weeks and we
pay most of it off.
>> Yep, same approach we use. It pays to be mercenary about what banks
>> you do business with these days.
>
> It's not as if it's difficult to switch these days.
Ain't that the truth. My mom's moving (tomorrow if everything goes
well); she's been with the same bank for some 40 years now and said she
has no plans to switch (even though the bank she was originally with got
bought by another, which got bought by yet another). She couldn't even
remember the name of the original bank (and I can't now, though I did
when I was talking with her last week - Ah, yes, "First Bank"); I
suggested that at the least, she might pick a branch closer to her new
place, and she's going to think about it.
Jim
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:10:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 11 Feb 2008 00:46:49 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>
>
>>Uh huh. I think there's a scale on which people define themselves; at
>>one end is 100% based on your work achievements, and the other end is
>>100% based on personal life. Most people are somewhere in between.
>
> That makes sense.
That's what I thought. :-)
>>> made a goode movie - The Wicca man :)
>>
>>The Wicker Man, you mean. ;-)
>>
>>
> It sounds the same to me :)
:-P
>>> You are winning :)
>>
>>But of course. :-)
>>
> Roll up! Roll up! See the massacre!
> Tickets, a groat children a bawbee.
Maybe I could start a new religion with it. ;-)
>>In some ways it is kinda an odd job, because the hours are "fixed" but
>>they're not fixed, if you know what I mean.
>>
> Mine too, remember "you can't do enough for a good company"
Something like that, yeah. :-) Admittedly, I do think it's a good
company, and they certainly do treat the employees well. Excellent
benefits, for a start.
>>> Don't you love our lords and masters :)
>>
>>Yeah, right up to the point they decide they don't need you.
>>
> Ain't that true. N.B. Andrew :)
Yup, I was thinking that as well.
>>> Well that is an attitude designed to keep people in their places, I
>>> feel.
>>
>>Well, I don't know about that, at least not my reading from what you
>>wrote. It sounds more a sort of fatalistic approach (not unlike my own
>>approach to life at that). Whatever happens happens sort of thing.
>>
> She did mean it kindly but she was born a hundred years ago. People's
> attitudes were different then. I believe that you make your own luck.
> Again N.B. Andrew :)
Oh, yes, I agree. I remember a quote I saw somewhere that essentially
said something like "I've had to work very hard to be as lucky as I've
been".
>>I used to live not far from Dan Farmer, but sadly never did get an
>>opportunity to meet him IRL.
>>
> Shame.
Yeah, it was one of those "I'll get around to it someday" things.
>>>>Well, just remember, we're all unique, just like everyone else. ;-)
>>>>
>>> Unless you're a clone :)
>>
>>Ah, but at the point that the clone becomes sentient, then the clone's
>>experiences are going to be different from yours. Think Will & Thomas
>>Riker. :-)
>>
> If you insist :)
Well, that's what my clone said to consider.... ;)
Jim
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Phil Cook wrote:
> now it's - "please borrow money off us"
... which makes sense, when you realize that money is created by you
borrowing it. If everyone actually payed back everything they owed,
there would be no money left. Of course, that's mathematically
impossible, since people necessarily owe more than they can ever own.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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Darren New wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> now it's - "please borrow money off us"
>
> .... which makes sense, when you realize that money is created by you
> borrowing it.
... Nowadays, that is. The banks used to actually need to have money
before they could loan it. Now the act of loaning the money makes the
bank have more rather than less.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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On 11 Feb 2008 19:32:24 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>Oh, yes, I agree. I remember a quote I saw somewhere that essentially
>said something like "I've had to work very hard to be as lucky as I've
>been".
I believe Arnold Palmer (the golfer) also said. "The more I practice the luckier
I get". Well get me, a sports quote, bejasus.
>>>I used to live not far from Dan Farmer, but sadly never did get an
>>>opportunity to meet him IRL.
>>>
>> Shame.
>
>Yeah, it was one of those "I'll get around to it someday" things.
Yes it is the things that you've not done, that you regret.
Regards
Stephen
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And lo on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:42:29 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> now it's - "please borrow money off us"
>
> ... which makes sense, when you realize that money is created by you
> borrowing it. If everyone actually payed back everything they owed,
> there would be no money left. Of course, that's mathematically
> impossible, since people necessarily owe more than they can ever own.
Which is why I'm always amused when I read the headlines deploring the
econmy works now.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:21:31 -0000, Jim Henderson
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:03:11 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>
>>> True, but nobody ever said life was easy, either. The problem is that
>>> it's often difficult to distinguish between lazy/unmotivated and when
>>> something's truly too difficult.
>>
>> True, some people think that because they've just one type of job they
>> *deserve* exactly the same type of job regardless of availabilty and
>> reject anything else. I may have mentioned my father who went from TV
>> repairman to shop manager to refuse collector to warehouse manager.
>
> Yep. I always have figured that I deserve the type of job I am willing
> to work for. I'm not entitled to any kind of job.
Course you are; it's against your human rights not to be offered the job
you deserve :-P
> That's one of the problems in society these days - a lot of people feel
> they are entitled to things they need to be working for.
To an extent I blame the cult of celebrity, anyone can become a 'star'
today so why bother to work hard when tomorrow some bigshot producer may
spot your music video on youtube? Combine that with a social security
system that can work out to be paying you more then a full-time job and
then mix-in the confusion between want and need; oh it's all good fun.
>>> Egg, that's the one. We're generally like that as well (got one card
>>> that's nearly maxxed out at over $10K, due to the need to replace our
>>> boiler - but at a great interest rate; the others don't get used hardly
>>> at all). Yet they keep raising our limits; it's to the point that I'm
>>> actively afraid to use the cards for fear I'll go crazy and max them
>>> all out and not be able to make even the minimum payments. Better they
>>> just sit in the safe unused.
>>
>> They keep pestering me to borrow money. My parents find this amusing
>> when I mention it, apparently back in ye olden days you pratically had
>> to beg and sign your contract in blood to get a loan; now it's - "please
>> borrow money off us"
>
> Yeah; at the same time that I'm hearing about Citi dropping people's
> credit limits, they've bumped mine up yet again. They are *really* going
> to be surprised when the tax refund shows up in a couple of weeks and we
> pay most of it off.
'Thank you for paying off all the money you owe us. As a reward we're
dropping your credit limit so you can't borrow so much from us'
>>> Yep, same approach we use. It pays to be mercenary about what banks
>>> you do business with these days.
>>
>> It's not as if it's difficult to switch these days.
>
> Ain't that the truth. My mom's moving (tomorrow if everything goes
> well); she's been with the same bank for some 40 years now and said she
> has no plans to switch (even though the bank she was originally with got
> bought by another, which got bought by yet another). She couldn't even
> remember the name of the original bank (and I can't now, though I did
> when I was talking with her last week - Ah, yes, "First Bank"); I
> suggested that at the least, she might pick a branch closer to her new
> place, and she's going to think about it.
Sod love, inertia's the most powerful human motivation :-)
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:30:41 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 11 Feb 2008 19:32:24 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh, yes, I agree. I remember a quote I saw somewhere that essentially
>>said something like "I've had to work very hard to be as lucky as I've
>>been".
>
> I believe Arnold Palmer (the golfer) also said. "The more I practice the
> luckier I get". Well get me, a sports quote, bejasus.
Maybe that's the one I am thinking of, though I thought it tied to work.
Probably in a book we've got in the house. :-)
>>>>I used to live not far from Dan Farmer, but sadly never did get an
>>>>opportunity to meet him IRL.
>>>>
>>> Shame.
>>
>>Yeah, it was one of those "I'll get around to it someday" things.
>
> Yes it is the things that you've not done, that you regret.
And only occasionally the things you have done. ;-)
Good friend of mine moved from Austin TX to Colorado Springs, CO - so he
could be around the mountains because he liked hiking in the mountains.
After he moved, he decided to move back. Why? Well, part of the reason
was because he never went hiking anymore - because the mountains were
right there.
(Of course, he's back in CO Springs now, because it's near where his kids
go to school and he goes to all their home basketball games - it probably
helps that he's very successfully self-employed)
Jim
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:30:18 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>> Yep. I always have figured that I deserve the type of job I am willing
>> to work for. I'm not entitled to any kind of job.
>
> Course you are; it's against your human rights not to be offered the job
> you deserve :-P
See, that's the part I keep forgetting. Guess I'll have to go on being
successful in my own right. ;-)
>> That's one of the problems in society these days - a lot of people feel
>> they are entitled to things they need to be working for.
>
> To an extent I blame the cult of celebrity, anyone can become a 'star'
> today so why bother to work hard when tomorrow some bigshot producer may
> spot your music video on youtube? Combine that with a social security
> system that can work out to be paying you more then a full-time job and
> then mix-in the confusion between want and need; oh it's all good fun.
True, I know lots of people who do something "on the side" - have done so
myself once or twice. Current employer prohibits it if it has anything
to do with work (which for me is a lot of the things I do "for fun"), so
I can't for a lot of things that I otherwise would, but I'm well-enough
compensated that I don't need to do the work "on the side".
>> Yeah; at the same time that I'm hearing about Citi dropping people's
>> credit limits, they've bumped mine up yet again. They are *really*
>> going to be surprised when the tax refund shows up in a couple of weeks
>> and we pay most of it off.
>
> 'Thank you for paying off all the money you owe us. As a reward we're
> dropping your credit limit so you can't borrow so much from us'
I'm half expecting that to happen. Doesn't really bother me, though
after paying the vet bills today, it might a bit more.
>> did when I was talking with her last week - Ah, yes, "First Bank"); I
>> suggested that at the least, she might pick a branch closer to her new
>> place, and she's going to think about it.
>
> Sod love, inertia's the most powerful human motivation :-)
I think it's ambivalence. :-)
Jim
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