On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:35:54 EST, "bluetree" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>
>Sorry! It's only respect not to talk directly to a Saint. :)

Now I know what foot you kick with. Not that I care :)

>Does he also take some milk? <- really not respectless dear Sir Saint Stephen,
>I hope, he won't get angry... ;)

You wouldn't know but that is a phrase used to show the invisibility of the
disabled.
Instead of asking the person in a wheelchair if he takes sugar. The carer is
asked if he (the disabled person) takes sugar.
And no I don't take milk, but I take sugar in my first cup of coffee and all of
my cups of tea if it is Indian tea not Green tea which I take with neither sugar
nor milk. I will put an ice cube into my tea or coffee to cool it down as I
don't take milk, unless it is espresso or Greek type coffee then I sometimes add
lots of sugar. It is probably better to ask someone else. :)

Regards
	Stephen

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In article <web.479b10cbe1d0580ad77696980@news.povray.org>, 
nam### [at] gmailcom says...
> Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > Darren New wrote:
> > > Then the answer would be "no", not "yes". :-) If the place doesn't
> > > exist, then asking whether there's something at that place would be
> > > answered "no". Do the taxi drivers on the moon accept tips? No.
> >
> > According to my philosophy 101 teacher at university, you can validly
> > say anything about nonexistent things.  All unicorns are chartreuse, no
> > harbl which has a frobotz is virpo, that kind of thing.  So the taxi
> > drivers on the moon both do and do not accept tips.
> 
> indeed.  Wu/Mu is the correct answer to such questions.
> 

Actually, this reminds me of a blog entry I read today which talked 
about the difference between lies, bullshit and spin.

Basically:

Lies - Require you know the truth, so you can try to convince people 
that something else is true instead. This is easily refuted, since all 
someone has to do it prove that the truth is something else.

Bullshit - Making things up, out of thin air, with no basis in truth at 
all, other than needed to convince someone that it *might* be somehow 
connected to the real world. This is damn hard to refute, since how do 
you prove that there *is* truth, as related to something that doesn't 
exist? How do you even prove that it didn't happen, didn't exist, etc.?

Spin - Something between the two above. Its purpose is to lie where 
needed to imply that black is white, up is down, right is left, good is 
bad, etc., but with a large dribble of bullshit added in, which can't be 
easily refuted, disproven or tested. Thus, the lies get support from the 
stuff you can't examine, while the stuff you can't examine is made more 
probable by the suggestion that "if it exists/happened/etc.", the lies 
must be true. As a result, the nuts that believe the bullshit will 
believe both, and the people that fall for the lies are more easily led 
into also accepting the bullshit.

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In article <479c72c5$1@news.povray.org>, Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at 
vtSPAM.edu"> says...
> Tim Cook wrote:
> > So the taxi drivers on the moon both do and do not accept tips.
> > 
> 

> the trip, or even if you ever arrived.
> 
lol Got to remember that one.

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In article <op.t5m1okjkc3xi7v@news.povray.org>, 
phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
> And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:22:57 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did 
 
> spake, saying:
> 
> > "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> >> It's got those harps and clouds and the fullsome sense of smugness  
> >> caused
> >> by being there.
> >>
> >> Okay in all seriousness if everyone thinks the same way in Heaven then
> >> it's possible that the only way in is to display those same traits on
> >> Earth. Therefore you have no free will nor free will to lose you are
> >> simply repeating your Earthly actions in Heaven. If you were the type 
of
> >> person to become disatisfied with that then you wouldn't have been  
> >> allowed
> >> in. Satan/Lucifer/Adversary doesn't count as he was always in Heaven.
> >
> > Not to sound blasphemous.
> 
> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
> 
> > But who says that there are individuals. If there might be no free will
,  
> > it could also be, that there are no individuals... (invalid logic, but 
 
> > doesn't matter)
> > I can't imagine a lot of individuals playing all time similar or same 
 
> > songs with harp. ;)
> 
> No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo! 
 
> Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple forms
  
> can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's 
 
> Deep Space Nine.
> 
> > "the fullsome sense of smugness caused by being there" sounds like ther
e  
> > might be something, which changes the way you are. -> So no individual 
 
> > anymore? ;)
> 
> Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven, 
 
> would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person  
> who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)  
> stoned.
> 
> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of God
'  
> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in the
  
> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't 
 
> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your co-workers...um...
  

This would differ from our understanding of modern neuroscience in what 
way, I mean other than the fact that, with rare exceptions, most of the 
other people in our heads don't get the final vote on what to do, but 
just chime in a lot? And what would the point of that be "for" God? 
Having billions of chattering voices chiming in about all the stuff they 
want him to do next all the time, where his sole gain from that is 
that... he gets to *pick* which ones to listen to, but without all the 
complex neurological filters "we" have that are supposed to make the 
crazier people in our own heads stay quiet. People without those filters 
(or rather with broken ones) tend to be what we call bipolar, and other 
similar disorders. One minute they are listening to the devil on the 
shoulder, the next the angel, and they *personally* can't tell the 
difference. Always thought God had to be completely nuts, by the crazy 
definitions given for his behavior, but gluing billions of people, each 
with their own collection of crazy people in them, into a mess that 
hasn't got the filters we do, would **make** any such entity nuts, if it 
wasn't to start with.

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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Spin - Something between the two above. 

Actually, I've always understood "spin" to be picking which part of the 
story to tell. Like foods that proclaim "fat free!" when they're loaded 
with sugar.

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Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:35:54 EST, "bluetree" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>
> >
> >Sorry! It's only respect not to talk directly to a Saint. :)
>
> Now I know what foot you kick with. Not that I care :)

NO! I'm not kicking anybody. Not even a fly. In that way I'm a kind of Buddhist.
I would also turn the other cheek for the fly... ;)

> >Does he also take some milk? <- really not respectless dear Sir Saint Stephen,
> >I hope, he won't get angry... ;)
>
> You wouldn't know but that is a phrase used to show the invisibility of the
> disabled.
> Instead of asking the person in a wheelchair if he takes sugar. The carer is
> asked if he (the disabled person) takes sugar.

^^
I knew it. :P
(I googled the phrase.) :)

> And no I don't take milk, but I take sugar in my first cup of coffee and all of
> my cups of tea if it is Indian tea not Green tea which I take with neither sugar
> nor milk. I will put an ice cube into my tea or coffee to cool it down as I
> don't take milk, unless it is espresso or Greek type coffee then I sometimes add
> lots of sugar. It is probably better to ask someone else. :)
>
> Regards
>  Stephen


What's about white coffee?
BTW have you also tried green tea with gold? :)

Regards
               bluetree

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:58:33 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:53:00 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:43:33 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:16:16 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless you're a zombie, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a werewolf... oh
>>>> wait
>>>> that last one's just stupid; werewolves aren't dead.
>>>
>>> Are you some sort of ist? What do you have against Duppies?
>>
>> Nothing, I think they're great for an aquarium.
>>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duppy

Oh *D*uppy I read *G*uppy, well actually I didn't I just thought it would  
be funny.

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:11:35 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:20:48 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:04:34 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did
>> spake, saying:
>>
>>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>> > They don't call me Saint Stephen for nothing.
>>>> >
>>>> > Actually they don't call me Saint Stephen at all, at all :)
>>>>
>>>> Ah St. St. so good they named him twice:-P
>>>
>>> It's the same as with other titles. The more Saints he get the more
>>> miracles he
>>> can do, am I right? ;)
>>
>> So miraculous they named a road after him - St. St. St.
>>
>> --
>> Phil Cook
>
> I'm still here you know. I do take sugar.

You know if you keep acting like that they'll rename the road and you'll  
be back to plain old Sir Saint Stephen :-P

Heh Saint Stephen Street Apartments - St.St.St.Apts.

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:54:30 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did  
spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> > Whew. Strange diaglogue.
>>
>> Except in the case of Heaven they thought they wanted to be there; a bit
>> like Fawlty Towers I suppose.
>
> Then I don't want to check in please.

Ah but that presupposes the knowledge that you know what it's like before  
you get there :-)

>> > At least I found the reason: Your showel was too hard.
>> > No, no, don't flail again. :)
>>
>> That's okay John's flown off with and I don't have another Shovel +2
>> Against Reason as blessed by L Ron Hubbard lying around. I could just  
>> wrap
>> some wires around the handle of a different shovel say it detects  
>> "Thetan
>> Radiation" and try that if you like?
>
> Hihi, won't work, because I have an atheistic shield +20. :P

Heh it was an Attack of opportunity which negates shields, you belong to  
Hubbard now :-P

>> >> Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point  
>> you
>> >> lose it.
>> >> Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.
>> >
>> > Heaven-one-way ticket. ;)
>
> Annual season ticket for one way, that's not fair!!

Only covers Earth to Purgatory with a stop in Heaven availible on  
alternate Blue Moons

>> Bloody GWR and you'd paid for an annual season ticket too.
>>
>> > Is there a point, where you are able to choose between different
>> > stations?
>>
>> Sort of makes you wonder what happens if you get on the wrong train. Ah
>> Rowan Atkinson as the Devil guiding people to Hell.
>>
>> "Christians? Christians this way please; yes the Jews were right"
>
> ^^
> And at last it leads to the question: Is there free will in hell? ;)

Perhaps in the same way there is in prison.

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And lo on Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:00:59 -0000, Patrick Elliott  
<sel### [at] rraznet> did spake, saying:

> In article <op.t5m1okjkc3xi7v@news.povray.org>,
> phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk says...
>> And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:22:57 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did
>> spake, saying:
>>
>> > "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of  
>> God'
>> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in  
>> the
>> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
>> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your  
>> co-workers...um...
>
> This would differ from our understanding of modern neuroscience in what
> way, I mean other than the fact that, with rare exceptions, most of the
> other people in our heads don't get the final vote on what to do, but
> just chime in a lot? And what would the point of that be "for" God?
> Having billions of chattering voices chiming in about all the stuff they
> want him to do next all the time, where his sole gain from that is
> that... he gets to *pick* which ones to listen to, but without all the
> complex neurological filters "we" have that are supposed to make the
> crazier people in our own heads stay quiet. People without those filters
> (or rather with broken ones) tend to be what we call bipolar, and other
> similar disorders. One minute they are listening to the devil on the
> shoulder, the next the angel, and they *personally* can't tell the
> difference. Always thought God had to be completely nuts, by the crazy
> definitions given for his behavior, but gluing billions of people, each
> with their own collection of crazy people in them, into a mess that
> hasn't got the filters we do, would **make** any such entity nuts, if it
> wasn't to start with.

And yet explains so much if true.

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