And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:25:03 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)

Just one (other) mistranslation and things could have been so different
"As punishment for your blasphemy, and as prescribed by our Holy Book, you  
must smoke your way through this entire baggie of grass until you are  
thoroughly stoned"

> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
> "When you're dead, you're dead"
> That works for me.

Unless you're a zombie, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a werewolf... oh wait  
that last one's just stupid; werewolves aren't dead.

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Phil Cook

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:31:46 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did  
spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>
> No. Don't do it. I believe. I believe everything...

Almost as quick as getting Travolta to hit Cruise over the head with a  
shovel; "Yes Scientology does make sense".

>> No you're right they could all Become One With The Mind Of God... ooooo!
>> Or separate from God in a shiny silvery gestalt from which multiple  
>> forms
>> can be made and rule over a race of warriors who... oh wait sorry that's
>> Deep Space Nine.
>
> ^^
> Or they could take the shape of little worm and take over the bodies of  
> some people, who believe everthing (oh, wait, I'm in danger)... oh wait,  
> that was Star Gate... :)

I thought that was Scientology, oh no those are invisible formless little  
'worms'; wait that doesn't make any sens [dong] makes perfect sense, oh  
hey John what's the shovel for?"

>> Hmm think about the types of people who you'd expect to get into Heaven,
>> would you want to spend eternity with them in any form? So the person
>> who's there either a) wants to be there b) has to be there, or is c)
>> stoned.
>
> So b) wouldn't have free will.
> some of c) as well.
> what's about some people of a) who don't want to spend eternity with some
> others?
>
>> Back to the serious bit. I think the gestalt or 'one with the mind of  
>> God'
>> is a possibiity if you think of each individual joining as a voice in  
>> the
>> choir, similar to that voice in your head telling you that you shouldn't
>> eat that gooey cream pie or take a machine-gun to your  
>> co-workers...um...
>> anyway in theory parts could arise that find itself in contest with the
>> majority and might break-away; which would explain the Downfall of the
>> Angels. So that would be a yes to free will.
>
>
> Wouldn't that mean, that those who have a free will, won't be in Heaven?  
> Because they break away and then are kicked out.

Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point you  
lose it. Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.

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Phil Cook

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

> > So b) wouldn't have free will.
>
> Except they realise they don't want to be there, thus have free will.
> Unless you're saying that people in prison don't have free will?

^^
Prisoner: I have a free will.
Prison guard: Yes, I do not deny.
Prisoner: My free will is, that I want to be free and go outside.
Prison guard: You are free, we just improsioned your will. :)

Whew. Strange diaglogue.
At least I found the reason: Your showel was too hard.
No, no, don't flail again. :)

> Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point you lose it.
> Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.

Heaven-one-way ticket. ;)
Is there a point, where you are able to choose between different stations?

Regards
             bluetree

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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:16:16 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:25:03 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
>did spake, saying:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>>
>> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
>
>Just one (other) mistranslation and things could have been so different
>"As punishment for your blasphemy, and as prescribed by our Holy Book, you  
>must smoke your way through this entire baggie of grass until you are  
>thoroughly stoned"

They don't call me Saint Stephen for nothing.

Actually they don't call me Saint Stephen at all, at all :)

>> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
>> "When you're dead, you're dead"
>> That works for me.
>
>Unless you're a zombie, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a werewolf... oh wait  
>that last one's just stupid; werewolves aren't dead.
>

Are you some sort of ist? What do you have against Duppies?

Regards
	Stephen

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:43:33 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:16:16 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:25:03 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:46:58 -0000, "Phil Cook"
>>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Blasphemer! Stone them, stone them!
>>>
>>> Why should the Blasphemers get all the fun :)
>>
>> Just one (other) mistranslation and things could have been so different
>> "As punishment for your blasphemy, and as prescribed by our Holy Book,  
>> you
>> must smoke your way through this entire baggie of grass until you are
>> thoroughly stoned"
>
> They don't call me Saint Stephen for nothing.
>
> Actually they don't call me Saint Stephen at all, at all :)

Ah St. St. so good they named him twice:-P

>>> A friend of mine explained it perfectly saying.
>>> "When you're dead, you're dead"
>>> That works for me.
>>
>> Unless you're a zombie, or a ghost, or a vampire, or a werewolf... oh  
>> wait
>> that last one's just stupid; werewolves aren't dead.
>
> Are you some sort of ist? What do you have against Duppies?

Nothing, I think they're great for an aquarium.

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Phil Cook

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> > They don't call me Saint Stephen for nothing.
> >
> > Actually they don't call me Saint Stephen at all, at all :)
>
> Ah St. St. so good they named him twice:-P

It's the same as with other titles. The more Saints he get the more miracles he
can do, am I right? ;)
Isn't there a book talking about Saint Stephen?

Regards
       bluetree

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:04:34 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did  
spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> > They don't call me Saint Stephen for nothing.
>> >
>> > Actually they don't call me Saint Stephen at all, at all :)
>>
>> Ah St. St. so good they named him twice:-P
>
> It's the same as with other titles. The more Saints he get the more  
> miracles he
> can do, am I right? ;)

So miraculous they named a road after him - St. St. St.

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And lo on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:39:48 -0000, bluetree <nomail@nomail> did  
spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> > So b) wouldn't have free will.
>>
>> Except they realise they don't want to be there, thus have free will.
>> Unless you're saying that people in prison don't have free will?
>
> ^^
> Prisoner: I have a free will.
> Prison guard: Yes, I do not deny.
> Prisoner: My free will is, that I want to be free and go outside.
> Prison guard: You are free, we just improsioned your will. :)
>
> Whew. Strange diaglogue.

Except in the case of Heaven they thought they wanted to be there; a bit  
like Fawlty Towers I suppose.

> At least I found the reason: Your showel was too hard.
> No, no, don't flail again. :)

That's okay John's flown off with and I don't have another Shovel +2  
Against Reason as blessed by L Ron Hubbard lying around. I could just wrap  
some wires around the handle of a different shovel say it detects "Thetan  
Radiation" and try that if you like?

>> Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point you  
>> lose it.
>> Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.
>
> Heaven-one-way ticket. ;)

Bloody GWR and you'd paid for an annual season ticket too.

> Is there a point, where you are able to choose between different  
> stations?

Sort of makes you wonder what happens if you get on the wrong train. Ah  
Rowan Atkinson as the Devil guiding people to Hell.

"Christians? Christians this way please; yes the Jews were right"

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Phil Cook

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> > Whew. Strange diaglogue.
>
> Except in the case of Heaven they thought they wanted to be there; a bit
> like Fawlty Towers I suppose.

Then I don't want to check in please.

> > At least I found the reason: Your showel was too hard.
> > No, no, don't flail again. :)
>
> That's okay John's flown off with and I don't have another Shovel +2
> Against Reason as blessed by L Ron Hubbard lying around. I could just wrap
> some wires around the handle of a different shovel say it detects "Thetan
> Radiation" and try that if you like?

Hihi, won't work, because I have an atheistic shield +20. :P

> >> Yup you can only get into Heaven via your free will at which point you
> >> lose it.
> >> Hold on I'll get a shovel it'll all make sense in a minute.
> >
> > Heaven-one-way ticket. ;)

Annual season ticket for one way, that's not fair!!

> Bloody GWR and you'd paid for an annual season ticket too.
>
> > Is there a point, where you are able to choose between different
> > stations?
>
> Sort of makes you wonder what happens if you get on the wrong train. Ah
> Rowan Atkinson as the Devil guiding people to Hell.
>
> "Christians? Christians this way please; yes the Jews were right"

^^
And at last it leads to the question: Is there free will in hell? ;)

Regards

             bluetree

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Phil Cook wrote:
> There's a precedent.

My understanding is that angels don't have free will. I could be wrong 
on that, tho. Anybody got a chapter/verse on it?

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     On what day did God create the body thetans?

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