Alain escribió:
> To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3 
> years...
> It may be your client that is set not to keep or display messages that 
> are more than 2 weeks old.

You are wrong. This newsgroup(off-topic) only keeps messages for 2 
weeks, ask Warp if you don't believe me.

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote

> -Second, I know this post only will live 2 weeks in here and it'll be
> deleted after that,

For good reason. Don't expect serious or technical discussions here.

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:41:52 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

[...]

Hmmm, so why is the older message still there?

Even still, though, Nov 20 is more than 2 weeks ago...

Jim

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:51:31 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Alain escribió:
>> To my knowlege, they live for FAR longer than 2 weeks, more like over 3
>> years...
>> It may be your client that is set not to keep or display messages that
>> are more than 2 weeks old.
> 
> You are wrong. This newsgroup(off-topic) only keeps messages for 2
> weeks, ask Warp if you don't believe me.

Sorry, it's not 2 weeks.  It's 10 weeks, based on the headers on the 
server.

There is one message from week 34 last year, and then:

Week    Messages
47	208
48	234
49	352
50	755
51	187
52	172
1	581
2	622
3	616
4	168

Things seemed to slow down over the holidays (not surprising).

A few other interesting stats:

Of the newsreaders that report a user-agent, Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 was used 
the most frequently (893 out of 3896 posts).  1363 posts have no user-
agent information.

Top 10 posters (number of posts):

Darren New 	419
Invisible 	380
Warp 	325
Jim Henderson 	225
Orchid XP v7 	198
Phil Cook 	170
Stephen 	168
nemesis 	136
scott 	134
Patrick Elliott 	104

Top 10 posters (total lines in posts, probably includes quotebacks):

Darren New 	10373
Invisible 	8341
H. Karsten 	7232
Patrick Elliott 	7162
Jim Henderson 	5986
Phil Cook 	5844
Warp 	5506
alphaQuad 	4523
nemesis 	4094
Orchid XP v7 	3487

Top topic (by subject) was "Getting Kenned Ham, without paying." with 444 
posts.  "Most incomprehensible films ever" achieved 272 posts and "How 
far can you go spotting goofs in movies?" got 110.

Jim

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Is 2 weeks,let me put it this way:

I use SeaMonkey Mail&News Groups, I didn't had off-topic set to download 
the messages I had to see them online only, after a few days I set today 
to download the messages and since it only had the headers couldn't 
download the body for messages 2 weeks before today, so, SeaMonkey 
Mail&News Groups started to delete those headers, proving the servers 
time limited storage. I hope this is clear enough.

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And lo on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:52:24 -0000, Saul Luizaga  
<sau### [at] netscapenet> did spake, saying:

> Is 2 weeks,let me put it this way:
>
> I use SeaMonkey Mail&News Groups, I didn't had off-topic set to download  
> the messages I had to see them online only, after a few days I set today  
> to download the messages and since it only had the headers couldn't  
> download the body for messages 2 weeks before today, so, SeaMonkey  
> Mail&News Groups started to delete those headers, proving the servers  
> time limited storage. I hope this is clear enough.

I'll put it this way, Opera doesn't keep a local cache of the body just  
the headers (except my own posts). I can read as far back as this

From: "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom>
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
References: <47419232@news.povray.org> <47425c6e$1@news.povray.org>  
<4742a6e7$1@news.povray.org> <4742ae22@news.povray.org>  
<4742af89$1@news.povray.org> <4742b16c@news.povray.org>  
<4742b32c$1@news.povray.org> <47435f89$1@news.povray.org>
Subject: Re: A question of pure mathematics
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:55:44 +0100
<snip>
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:188044

the item before is

Subject: Re: A question of pure mathematics
From: "Tim Attwood" <tim### [at] comcastnet>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:28:26 -0000
Message-ID: <47435f89$1@news.povray.org>
References: <47419232@news.povray.org> <47425c6e$1@news.povray.org>  
<4742a6e7$1@news.povray.org> <4742ae22@news.povray.org>  
<4742af89$1@news.povray.org> <4742b16c@news.povray.org>  
<4742b32c$1@news.povray.org>
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic

which is from my local cache of headers. No body text is available.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:52:24 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Is 2 weeks,let me put it this way:
> 
> I use SeaMonkey Mail&News Groups, I didn't had off-topic set to download
> the messages I had to see them online only, after a few days I set today
> to download the messages and since it only had the headers couldn't
> download the body for messages 2 weeks before today, so, SeaMonkey
> Mail&News Groups started to delete those headers, proving the servers
> time limited storage. I hope this is clear enough.

You may only be downloading 2 weeks worth in SeaMonkey; I looked directly 
at the server, and in Pan, I just downloaded messages from early December 
as well as the earliest message dated Nov 21 2007:

Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:51:37 +0100
From: Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: povray.off-topic
Subject: gathering infos from web pages
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.240.39.81
Message-ID: <4744378d@news.povray.org>
X-Trace: news.povray.org 1195653005 81.240.39.81 (21 Nov 2007 08:50:05 
-0500)
Lines: 37
X-No-Archive: Yes
X-Copyright: This copyrighted article comes from a private news server 
and may NOT be distributed on USENET or other news servers.
X-POV-Header: --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Path: news.povray.org!not-for-mail
Xref: news.povray.org povray.off-topic:188057

(posting just the header, but the message body includes the text:

Hi,
in our country, we have a government-operated official website which
publishes opportunities in public tender.

)

That your reader isn't pulling messages from > 2 weeks ago doesn't mean 
that those messages do not exist on the server.

I hope *that* clears it up once and for all.  10 weeks worth of messages 
exist on the server.  *Not* 2.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> A few other interesting stats:
....
> Top 10 posters (number of posts):
>
> Darren New  419
> Invisible  380
> Warp  325
> Jim Henderson  225
> Orchid XP v7  198
> Phil Cook  170
> Stephen  168
> nemesis  136
> scott  134
> Patrick Elliott  104

Invisible + Orchid XP v7 = 578, putting Andrew at #1.

> Top 10 posters (total lines in posts, probably includes quotebacks):
>
> Darren New  10373
> Invisible  8341
> H. Karsten  7232
> Patrick Elliott  7162
> Jim Henderson  5986
> Phil Cook  5844
> Warp  5506
> alphaQuad  4523
> nemesis  4094
> Orchid XP v7  3487

Again, Andrew's total is 11 828, putting him at #1.  Are you noticing a pattern?
:)

....

I remember somebody once posted stats for this group from its inception, not
just the current messages; is anyone still doing this?

....Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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look ma, I'm in a toptens!!

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:20:37 EST, "Chambers" <bdc### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

>> Stephen  168

This is a blip! It will drop down when I get a new contract, or a life :)

Regards
	Stephen

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