Invisible wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
> 
>> Hey, congrats on hearing back!  Did he give you any useful advice?
> 
> Not really, no.

Ah, a Wilkinson letter.

"You have a very impressive resume. Unfortunately, we can't hire you at 
this time."

The first sentence lifts you high, the second sentence snips you off 
real close and smooth.


-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Invisible wrote:
> Interesting. I didn't know that. (Does it also apply in the UK?)

It sure as H doesn't in the USA! :-)

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.

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>> Hmm... perhaps this is why I have never accomplished anything in my
>> entire life?
> 
> IMO, the best approach is not to worry about pleasing other people or 
> about what other people think.  Just be yourself.

Heh. Just imagine what must be possible if you possess self-confidence...


> Overall, the group (several hundred members) has appreciated what I've 
> done.  The subset that are unhappy with me are a small minority, but they 
> can be very vocal.

...and this is why I'll never be a leader. ;-)

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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Interesting. I didn't know that. (Does it also apply in the UK?)
> 
> It sure as H doesn't in the USA! :-)

Oh yes - the singing fish episode...

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> > Interesting. I didn't know that. (Does it also apply in the UK?)

> It sure as H doesn't in the USA! :-)

  While I'm not inherently opposed to capitalism (as long as there's a
strong government protecting people from exploitation), sometimes it feels
that the capitalist ideology has gone way too far in the US. Sometimes it
feels that employers and companies have way too many rights over employees
and individuals.

  Maybe it's a bit of a counter-reaction (if not even an over-reaction)
to the dangers of communism?

  I'll be interested in seeing Michael Moore's documentary about the
farmaceutical industry in the capitalist US. Should be interesting.
(I know he sometimes presents conveniently selected truths, and I do
take them with the proper grain of salt, but I'm sure that he has good
points.)

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                                                          - Warp

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> I always considered an interview as a two-way street.  They were 
> interviewing me, but I was also interviewing them.  If I didn't like what 
> I heard, I'd turn the job down (and have a couple of times).
> 


It's the only smart thing to do - unless you are desperate.


Tom

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And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:43:31 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>> > Interesting. I didn't know that. (Does it also apply in the UK?)
>
>> It sure as H doesn't in the USA! :-)
>
>   While I'm not inherently opposed to capitalism (as long as there's a
> strong government protecting people from exploitation), sometimes it  
> feels
> that the capitalist ideology has gone way too far in the US. Sometimes it
> feels that employers and companies have way too many rights over  
> employees
> and individuals.
>
>   Maybe it's a bit of a counter-reaction (if not even an over-reaction)
> to the dangers of communism?
>
>   I'll be interested in seeing Michael Moore's documentary about the
> farmaceutical industry in the capitalist US. Should be interesting.
> (I know he sometimes presents conveniently selected truths, and I do
> take them with the proper grain of salt, but I'm sure that he has good
> points.)

Just seen it recently, better then his other films in that for the first  
half he not only stays out from the front of the camera, but doesn't  
appear behind it either he's VO only. He eulogises about the NHS without  
mentioning how we're trying to turn it slowly into the American system.  
Then has some fun in France and Cuba.

"How much is this medicine in the US?"
"About $120"
"And here [in Cuba]?"
"3 Pesos"
"Which is?"
"About 5 cents"

-- 
Phil Cook

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:10:04 +0000, Invisible wrote:

>>> Hmm... perhaps this is why I have never accomplished anything in my
>>> entire life?
>> 
>> IMO, the best approach is not to worry about pleasing other people or
>> about what other people think.  Just be yourself.
> 
> Heh. Just imagine what must be possible if you possess
> self-confidence...

I don't have to.  :-)

But one way of gaining some self-confidence is to not care what others 
think, or at least to not care as much what others think.

>> Overall, the group (several hundred members) has appreciated what I've
>> done.  The subset that are unhappy with me are a small minority, but
>> they can be very vocal.
> 
> ...and this is why I'll never be a leader. ;-)

Give yourself time; never say never.  10 years ago, I was an IT person, 
and had no ambitions to be any kind of people person or to lead in any 
way.  Yet here I am, and I've found that I'm not bad at it.

Jim

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:43:31 -0500, Warp wrote:

> Sometimes it
> feels that employers and companies have way too many rights over
> employees and individuals.

This is certainly true.

Jim

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:49:56 -0500, Tom Austin wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> I always considered an interview as a two-way street.  They were
>> interviewing me, but I was also interviewing them.  If I didn't like
>> what I heard, I'd turn the job down (and have a couple of times).
>> 
>> 
> 
> It's the only smart thing to do - unless you are desperate.

Even after several months being unemployed, I did this.  I also did not 
accept the offer on the spot.  If anything, when you're desperate, you 
need to be more diligent, because if the prospective employer smells that 
you are desperate, they will generally take advantage of your desperation.

After my stint of unemployment, I got hired by a Fortune 50 company, and 
I ended up making 50% again what I was making in the previous job (~$35K 
at the old job, just over $50K at the new), and that was more than I was 
asking for.  I was quite happy with the offer when presented, but I took 
a couple of days to review it before accepting it, just to make sure 
there were no hidden terms.

Jim

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