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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:13:52
Message: <4784e4b0$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> 
>> And Shrek 2 is far better than the first, but 3 is lame.
> 
> Actually, thinking about it, the same goes for Pirates of the Carribean. 
> Hmm...

I actually like all 3 of the Pirates films equally, although the first 
works better as a movie on its own.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:17:06
Message: <4784e572$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:

> Ah well, each to their own. My main problem with no 2 was the monumental 
>  lack of knowledge or common sense exhibited by the filmmakers, made the 
> whole thing seem like a bit of a cartoon. 3 was good, I liked the 
> puzzle-bombing concept, but it all fell apart a bit towards the end. 
> Number 4 was surprisingly good but there was too much to-ing and fro-ing.

I haven't seen #4 yet. (Wasn't aware there was one yet...)

I enjoyed Speed. But Speed 2 was... hmm... not that good.

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:36:41
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Invisible wrote:
> I haven't seen #4 yet. (Wasn't aware there was one yet...)

Last summer. Should be out on DVD by now.

> I enjoyed Speed. But Speed 2 was... hmm... not that good.

Speed's a funny one for me. Every time I watch it, I enjoy it less and 
less... Speed 2 is indeed terrible.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:52:06
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I enjoyed Speed.

  I may be quite alone in this opinion, but in Speed there's one scene where
there's one of the best acting performances I have ever seen. I don't know
exactly why it thrills me so much, but it just does. When I rented the movie
some time ago, I watched that scene over and over, and every time it was
equally awesome.

  The scene in question is the reaction of Sandra Bullock's character when
the bus hits the baby cart. As I said, I don't really know why, but I find
Bullock's acting in that specific scene absolutely superb. It just thrills
me every time I watch it.

  The only scene in any movie which I remember that parallels and even
surpasses this is in the movie The Shining. More precisely, the long
scene of the "talk" between Jack Nicholson's and Shelley Duvall's characters
after the latter discovers that the "novel" Jack has been writing is nothing
but the same phrase written over and over (all the way until Duvall's
character knocks Nicholson's out).
  For some reason I find the acting performance of both actors absolutely
superb. That's another scene which I have watched dozens of times, and it's
always as superb.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:52:46
Message: <4784edce@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Actually, thinking about it, the same goes for Pirates of the Carribean. 

  I found the second movie quite hard to follow.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 11:11:51
Message: <4784f247$1@news.povray.org>
>> I haven't seen #4 yet. (Wasn't aware there was one yet...)
> 
> Last summer. Should be out on DVD by now.

Mmm, OK.

>> I enjoyed Speed. But Speed 2 was... hmm... not that good.
> 
> Speed's a funny one for me. Every time I watch it, I enjoy it less and 
> less... Speed 2 is indeed terrible.

I was actually *expecting* Speed to completely suck. "Ooo, I know! Let's 
have a bus where there's a bomb but you can't stop the bus." Seems like 
a pretty obvious and shallow idea for a plot. And yet, it seems to work 
rather well...

Speed 2 was... well, it wasn't *awful*, it just wasn't all that great 
either.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 11:13:43
Message: <4784f2b7$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Actually, thinking about it, the same goes for Pirates of the Carribean. 
> 
>   I found the second movie quite hard to follow.

I've heard quite a few people say this. I didn't find it so, particularly...

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 11:39:30
Message: <4784f8c2$1@news.povray.org>
gregjohn wrote:
> Episode Three is a fascinating study in fascism and indoctrination of the
> political and religious stripe.

Yeah. I always thought I,II,III made much more sense if you watch them 
from the point of view that they're movies about Palentine. (Or however 
you spell it.) :-)


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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 11:41:53
Message: <4784f951$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:
>  3 was good, I liked the 
> puzzle-bombing concept, but it all fell apart a bit towards the end. 

Disagree. The end is what made it all worthwhile: that there was 
something other than just mad-bomber puzzles going on.

> Number 4 was surprisingly good but there was too much to-ing and fro-ing.

Four with the power grid bit? That was awful. The hacker characters knew 
way too much about what was going on. For example, why would the 
computers at the electrical substation know what valves were opening and 
closing in the gas pipes in the next city over?  Dumb stuff like that 
kept pulling me out of it.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 11:44:11
Message: <4784f9db$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   For some reason I find the acting performance of both actors absolutely
> superb. That's another scene which I have watched dozens of times, and it's
> always as superb.

There's a movie I saw where the wife has an affair with the french 
visitor she literally bumps into in the beginning of the movie. It would 
have been a sucky slow boring movie except for the incredible acting 
job. She's sitting on the subway, and you can just *see* her regretting 
what she's done.  I can't remember the name of the film, unfortunately, 
but I'll ask around.

"Meet Joe Black" was similar. Good actors all around.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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