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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 09:36:31
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Well, I've seen films where the sequal is *better* than the original 
> too. (Off the top of my head... Shrek. Pirates of the Carribean. Die Hard.)

  I disagree in all counts, and I believe I'm far from alone.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 09:56:27
Message: <4784e09b$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>> Well, I've seen films where the sequal is *better* than the original
>>> too. (Off the top of my head... Shrek. Pirates of the Carribean. Die Hard.)
>> Die Hard?! Noooo..... the sequels are OK, but remain poor shadows of the
>> first film... :-(
> 
> indeed.  And Shrek 2 is far better than the first, but 3 is lame.

Agree with Shrek analysis. Disagree with Die Hard. (The first one was 
OK, but I prefered the numerous sequals better.)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 09:57:36
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nemesis wrote:

> And Shrek 2 is far better than the first, but 3 is lame.

Actually, thinking about it, the same goes for Pirates of the Carribean. 
Hmm...

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:12:51
Message: <4784e473@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Bill Pragnell <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> Invisible wrote:
>>>> Well, I've seen films where the sequal is *better* than the original
>>>> too. (Off the top of my head... Shrek. Pirates of the Carribean. Die 
>>>> Hard.)
>>> Die Hard?! Noooo..... the sequels are OK, but remain poor shadows of the
>>> first film... :-(
>>
>> indeed.  And Shrek 2 is far better than the first, but 3 is lame.
> 
> Agree with Shrek analysis. Disagree with Die Hard. (The first one was 
> OK, but I prefered the numerous sequals better.)

Ah well, each to their own. My main problem with no 2 was the monumental 
  lack of knowledge or common sense exhibited by the filmmakers, made 
the whole thing seem like a bit of a cartoon. 3 was good, I liked the 
puzzle-bombing concept, but it all fell apart a bit towards the end. 
Number 4 was surprisingly good but there was too much to-ing and fro-ing.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:13:52
Message: <4784e4b0$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> 
>> And Shrek 2 is far better than the first, but 3 is lame.
> 
> Actually, thinking about it, the same goes for Pirates of the Carribean. 
> Hmm...

I actually like all 3 of the Pirates films equally, although the first 
works better as a movie on its own.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:17:06
Message: <4784e572$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:

> Ah well, each to their own. My main problem with no 2 was the monumental 
>  lack of knowledge or common sense exhibited by the filmmakers, made the 
> whole thing seem like a bit of a cartoon. 3 was good, I liked the 
> puzzle-bombing concept, but it all fell apart a bit towards the end. 
> Number 4 was surprisingly good but there was too much to-ing and fro-ing.

I haven't seen #4 yet. (Wasn't aware there was one yet...)

I enjoyed Speed. But Speed 2 was... hmm... not that good.

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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:36:41
Message: <4784ea09$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> I haven't seen #4 yet. (Wasn't aware there was one yet...)

Last summer. Should be out on DVD by now.

> I enjoyed Speed. But Speed 2 was... hmm... not that good.

Speed's a funny one for me. Every time I watch it, I enjoy it less and 
less... Speed 2 is indeed terrible.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:52:06
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I enjoyed Speed.

  I may be quite alone in this opinion, but in Speed there's one scene where
there's one of the best acting performances I have ever seen. I don't know
exactly why it thrills me so much, but it just does. When I rented the movie
some time ago, I watched that scene over and over, and every time it was
equally awesome.

  The scene in question is the reaction of Sandra Bullock's character when
the bus hits the baby cart. As I said, I don't really know why, but I find
Bullock's acting in that specific scene absolutely superb. It just thrills
me every time I watch it.

  The only scene in any movie which I remember that parallels and even
surpasses this is in the movie The Shining. More precisely, the long
scene of the "talk" between Jack Nicholson's and Shelley Duvall's characters
after the latter discovers that the "novel" Jack has been writing is nothing
but the same phrase written over and over (all the way until Duvall's
character knocks Nicholson's out).
  For some reason I find the acting performance of both actors absolutely
superb. That's another scene which I have watched dozens of times, and it's
always as superb.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 10:52:46
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Actually, thinking about it, the same goes for Pirates of the Carribean. 

  I found the second movie quite hard to follow.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Jeff Wayne
Date: 9 Jan 2008 11:11:51
Message: <4784f247$1@news.povray.org>
>> I haven't seen #4 yet. (Wasn't aware there was one yet...)
> 
> Last summer. Should be out on DVD by now.

Mmm, OK.

>> I enjoyed Speed. But Speed 2 was... hmm... not that good.
> 
> Speed's a funny one for me. Every time I watch it, I enjoy it less and 
> less... Speed 2 is indeed terrible.

I was actually *expecting* Speed to completely suck. "Ooo, I know! Let's 
have a bus where there's a bomb but you can't stop the bus." Seems like 
a pretty obvious and shallow idea for a plot. And yet, it seems to work 
rather well...

Speed 2 was... well, it wasn't *awful*, it just wasn't all that great 
either.

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