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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 8 Jan 2008 22:25:20
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:30:29 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Try reading the book. The first sequel's also good, not sure about the
>> other 2.
> 
> There were other sequels?  I only knew about 2010 (which I quite liked).
> 
> Jim

2053 was decent when I read it (I think I was 15 at the time).  I 
couldn't stomach more than a chapter or two of 3001, however (17yo when 
I tried to read it?).

It just seemed like preachy atheist propoganda written for 5 year olds. 
  Mind you, that was only the first two chapters - I never read the rest :)

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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 8 Jan 2008 22:28:41
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:477e0067$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>> #2 2001 Space Oddessy.
> 
> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/08/funny-pictures-is-fulla-starz/

I don't get the appeal most of these pictures.  I mean, the pictures are 
cute, and I understand what they're "trying" to say, but I feel like my 
IQ drops about 10 points every time I look at comedy that tries to be as 
uneducated as possible.

Tom Lehrer, in one of his songs, mentions the unfortunate fact that many 
people equate illiteracy with charm.  To me, this is one of the most 
disturbing facts about our culture today.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 8 Jan 2008 23:19:38
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Sense was IMO the best of them.

Agreed.

> Unbreakable wasn't bad, but it wasn't overly good 

Way, *way* too long. If they'd chopped out 40 minutes or so, it would 
have been excellent.

> Signs was just a confusing mess IMO.  

It wasn't too confusing to me. It was trying to be scary or something, 
or suspenseful, but it failed that too.  The only good bit of acting was 
when the brother or whoever it was was watching the TV and saw the 
creature and jumped back. *That* was convincing acting.

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     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 8 Jan 2008 23:26:55
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Darren New wrote:
> I just found the actors to be (for the most part) wooden. 

Or, to describe it a different way:

Luke: Impetuous, eager, noble.
Leia: Concerned, good hearted, Will do what it takes.
Solo: Good bluffer, soft inside.
Vadar: Brutal, uncaring.
Emperor: Sneaky, cruel.

Now, describe three major characters from the prequels in the same way.

Aniken: Teen angst. (And that only when he's a teen. No personality in 
the first movie at all.)

That's about all I can come up with. Nobody in the first movie had 
enough personality I could care what happened to them.

I mean, hell, Jabba the hut had more personality than Queen Amanda.

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 8 Jan 2008 23:28:20
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Darren New wrote:
> I think there was one other, but I don't remember what it was. :-)

Oh. Duh. I did go back and see 2001 when it came out 20 years later. :-)

Probably one or two more in there somewhere. Surely less than 8 or 10 in 
my whole life.

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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 9 Jan 2008 01:02:51
Message: <4784638b$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
>> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
>> news:477e0067$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>>> #2 2001 Space Oddessy.
>>
>> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/08/funny-pictures-is-fulla-starz/
> 
> I don't get the appeal most of these pictures.  I mean, the pictures are
> cute, and I understand what they're "trying" to say, but I feel like my
> IQ drops about 10 points every time I look at comedy that tries to be as
> uneducated as possible.
> 

The problem is if you visit internet sites where this meme is
propagated. After accidentally stumbling into a thread and seeing 5 or 6
of these pictures at once, your IQ has suffered such a distorting blow
that, after that point in time, you now find the pictures to be funny.

> Tom Lehrer, in one of his songs, mentions the unfortunate fact that many
> people equate illiteracy with charm.  To me, this is one of the most
> disturbing facts about our culture today.
> 

You think cats would be literate? In English, mind you, not in their own
language.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 9 Jan 2008 01:27:09
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> You think cats would be literate? In English, mind you, not in their own
> language.

My cats act as if I am so irredeemably beneath their intellect that it's 
not worth their time to even contemplate speaking to me :)

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 9 Jan 2008 03:19:25
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Gilliam's movies tend to be quite good.

  Tideland was weird, though.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 9 Jan 2008 03:25:24
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > Unbreakable wasn't bad, but it wasn't overly good 

> Way, *way* too long. If they'd chopped out 40 minutes or so, it would 
> have been excellent.

  I disagree. If they had chopped 40 minutes then it would simply have
been a regular hollywood blockbuster.

  If you want depth in a movie, you need to spend time with your characters.
You can see lack of depth in most hollywood blockbusters. They are too short,
they don't develop their characters, it's just fast food, not a delicate
cuisine.
  (One relatively recent prime example of this was IMO the first Fantastic4
movie: It was *way* too short, it didn't develop its characters *at all*,
and in the end it felt completely hollow. Like a cheap fast food ration.)

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Most incomprehensible films ever
Date: 9 Jan 2008 03:27:11
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I mean, hell, Jabba the hut had more personality than Queen Amanda.

  I thought it was Amidala, or something like that.

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