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From: Warp
Subject: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 08:51:50
Message: <4763dbf5@news.povray.org>
The DVD is a bad physical form of media. It's too fragile.

  I have the 4-disc edition of Titanic, and my computer has now trouble
recognizing the second disc. It's just a tiny scratch on the very outer
edge of the disc, but that's enough to make it difficult for the drive
to recognize the disc.

  There's nothing else wrong with the disc, only the tiny scratch on the
outer edge. If such a small flaw is enough to completely stop the DVD from
being played, that's IMO a clear sign that the DVD as a format is flawed.
One tiny scratch should not disable the entire disc just because it happens
to be physically located at a certain place on the disc. DVDs are supposed
to have lots of redundant information for the exact reason to avoid it being
rendered unplayable by tiny flaws. Why can't it have redundant information
of the most critical sections of the disc, at different parts of the disc,
so that drives can try another copy of the critical section if one is
unreadable?

  This sucks.

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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 10:08:12
Message: <4763eddc$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   There's nothing else wrong with the disc, only the tiny scratch on the
> outer edge. If such a small flaw is enough to completely stop the DVD from
> being played, that's IMO a clear sign that the DVD as a format is flawed.
> One tiny scratch should not disable the entire disc just because it happens
> to be physically located at a certain place on the disc. DVDs are supposed
> to have lots of redundant information for the exact reason to avoid it being
> rendered unplayable by tiny flaws. Why can't it have redundant information
> of the most critical sections of the disc, at different parts of the disc,
> so that drives can try another copy of the critical section if one is
> unreadable?

	Do you know what DVD drive you have? On a number of occasions, I've
seen DVD's not work on generic laptop drives - only to work just fine on
my computer. Better error correction was something my drive was known
for (at the time I bought it).

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 10:18:33
Message: <4763f049@news.povray.org>
Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>         Do you know what DVD drive you have?

  The computer sees it as "Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-108".

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                                                          - Warp


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 11:10:05
Message: <4763fc5d$1@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote

>   The DVD is a bad physical form of media. It's too fragile.

It's been that way since they chose not to enclose CDs in a protective case.


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 18:43:34
Message: <MPG.21ce1494d78a323798a0ca@news.povray.org>
In article <4763f049@news.povray.org>, war### [at] tagpovrayorg says...
> Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> >         Do you know what DVD drive you have?
> 
>   The computer sees it as "Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-108".
> 
You could try resurfacing it, if you can find some place that does that. 
Mind you, you don't want to do that a lot, since every time you repolish 
the disk you take a bit of the plastic off, but, in principle, it will 
fix "most" scratches, as long as the damage is only on the plastic side, 
not the data layer.

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 19:56:19
Message: <476477b3$1@news.povray.org>

> You could try resurfacing it, if you can find some place that does that. 
> Mind you, you don't want to do that a lot, since every time you repolish 
> the disk you take a bit of the plastic off, but, in principle, it will 
> fix "most" scratches, as long as the damage is only on the plastic side, 
> not the data layer.
> 

I have a CD with an MS-DOS game. It's full of scratches. And when I say 
"full", I don't mean just "a lot"; I really mean it as in "there isn't 
any space left for any more scratches".

Last time I tried, all disc access took several minutes, until a certain 
point during installation where the drive decides it's completely 
hopeless and gives a read error.

I wonder *where* I can get it "resurfaced"...


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 23:00:18
Message: <4764a2d2$1@news.povray.org>
"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote

> I have a CD with an MS-DOS game. It's full of scratches. And when I say
> "full", I don't mean just "a lot"; I really mean it as in "there isn't
> any space left for any more scratches".

Sounds similar to my car, which would need to get cleaner before it can get
any dirtier.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 15 Dec 2007 23:13:16
Message: <4764a5dc$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> I wonder *where* I can get it "resurfaced"...

Lots of places will sell for 20 bucks or so a little device to do that. 
Never had to use one, so I can't comment further.

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From: Tom Galvin
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 16 Dec 2007 02:34:30
Message: <4764d506$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> It's just a tiny scratch on the very outer
> edge of the disc, but that's enough to make it difficult for the drive
> to recognize the disc.

clean, buff, and wax.

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Scratched-CD


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From: scott
Subject: Re: I hate DVD as a physical media
Date: 17 Dec 2007 02:41:57
Message: <47662845@news.povray.org>
>  I have the 4-disc edition of Titanic, and my computer has now trouble
> recognizing the second disc. It's just a tiny scratch on the very outer
> edge of the disc, but that's enough to make it difficult for the drive
> to recognize the disc.

Did you try it in another drive?  IME it's often the drives that suck, not 
the discs.


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