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Warp wrote:
> I thought Windows was supposed to be user-friendly?
More so than Linux IME. Example: Add a URL-based installation source
via YaST. How long does it take you to figure out the copy/paste added
a space on the end of the URL, and YaST is too stupid to strip trailing
spaces from the URL?
How long does it take, for that matter, to figure out how to copy and/or
paste for each particular program. :-)
> In Linux obscure key combinations are usually at least *documented*
> somewhere.
It might be documented somewhere. I just saw the documentation in
Google, same place I get Linux documentation. ;-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> When it asks the first time if you want to clobber files with the same
>> name, and offers "Yes", "No", and "Yes to all", hold down the shift key
>> and click "No". I think it's the shift key.
>
> I thought Windows was supposed to be user-friendly?
>
> In Linux obscure key combinations are usually at least *documented*
> somewhere.
MS seems to think that the appropriate place to handle files is from
within the applications that create them. The ability to grab your data
at the file level appears to be something that MS doesn't want the
common user to be able to to at will. Take, for instance, the way they
make it easy to put streaming video into a page, without giving you an
easy way to save that video to where you can find it whenever you want
it, so that you don't have to download it every time you want to view it.
The reason you have just the three choices is, I suspect, because the
MessageBoxEx() API call allows for only up to three buttons, and the
programmerswho wrote Windows Explorer were too lazy to whip up a dialog
box with the necessary number of buttons.
Regards,
John
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:52:34 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson escribió:
>>
>> Maybe use rsync instead? There are versions of rsync for Windows...
>
> Rsync rocks. I used it from cygwin.
When I have to use Windows, I always make sure cygwin is installed. It
might have a fair bit of overhead, but it's nice to have an environment
that is familiar to work in - too many times I type "ls" in a command box
because I spent all my time using Linux...
Jim
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Jim Henderson escribió:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:52:34 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson escribió:
>>> Maybe use rsync instead? There are versions of rsync for Windows...
>> Rsync rocks. I used it from cygwin.
>
> When I have to use Windows, I always make sure cygwin is installed. It
> might have a fair bit of overhead, but it's nice to have an environment
> that is familiar to work in - too many times I type "ls" in a command box
> because I spent all my time using Linux...
*Apart* from cygwin, I have gnuwin32 tools on my PATH, so I actually
type ls on the Windows command prompt and it works. Then when I'm
removing malware from friends' computers over VNC (I do that often,
sigh), I do the following:
C:\Windows> ls
"ls" command not found
C:\Windows> ARGH
"ARGH" command not found
C:\Windows> dir
[actual directory contents]
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Darren New wrote:
> How long does it take, for that matter, to figure out how to copy and/or
> paste for each particular program. :-)
In X, highlight to copy and middle mouse to paste. Works across almost
all programs. On a bare terminal, write it down on paper and save
yourself the trouble.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> More so than Linux IME. Example: Add a URL-based installation source
> via YaST. How long does it take you to figure out the copy/paste added
> a space on the end of the URL, and YaST is too stupid to strip trailing
> spaces from the URL?
YaST is not Linux. You can't blame Linux for the problems of some
third-party software you are running in it.
In the Windows case in question it was a core feature of Windows.
And besides, if you don't like how YaST works, take the source and make
it better. Attempt to do that with Windows core features...
> How long does it take, for that matter, to figure out how to copy and/or
> paste for each particular program. :-)
I always copypaste in the same way everywhere. I don't remember a
program where it wouldn't work.
(Sure, it's not immediately obvious how it's done, I admit that...)
--
- Warp
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Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at vtSPAM.edu"> wrote:
> On a bare terminal, write it down on paper and save
> yourself the trouble.
Actually in a bare terminal you can run software which allows copy-pasting
of text on the terminal (using cursor key combinations, etc). Not the
handiest possible way, but perfectly possible.
--
- Warp
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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> and the
> programmerswho wrote Windows Explorer were too lazy to whip up a dialog
> box with the necessary number of buttons.
I perfectly understand that, knowing how extraordinaly difficult it is
to write even the simplest of dialogs using the Windows API...
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> I perfectly understand that, knowing how extraordinaly difficult it is
> to write even the simplest of dialogs using the Windows API...
Especially when you have a huge overhead of (say) translating it to 100
languages, formal QA, etc etc etc that you have to pay for. Bad decision
anyway. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:06:05 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> *Apart* from cygwin, I have gnuwin32 tools on my PATH, so I actually
> type ls on the Windows command prompt and it works. Then when I'm
> removing malware from friends' computers over VNC (I do that often,
> sigh), I do the following:
Ah, now I hadn't even considered using the gnuwin32 tools (just because I
so rarely use Windows anymore - in VMware when I need it, natively on one
machine if I want to extract video from my DVR (because there's no
current Linux analogue that I've found) and that machine runs Linux
natively 99% of the time, and my kid's machine because he likes using the
latest Windows games.
Was a time when I had a machine that ran Windows natively pretty
constantly, but it's been several years since that machine was Windows-
only. :-)
But I'll definitely check out the gnuwin32 tools for my VM - that'll be
very handy. :-)
Jim
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