"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote:
> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message
> news:4addabac@news.povray.org...
> > I see this same resolution mentioned in sections 1.2.4.1, 1.2.4.2,
> > 1.2.4.4, 1.3.1.6, 1.3.3.5 and 1.3.4.1,  (2.2.4.2 etc. in Windows Help) and
> > at corresponding points through the Wiki. For the instances that I've
> > looked at, the resolution doesn't seem to be hugely relevant to the text,
> > so maybe we should just drop the resolution references at those points?
> >
> > I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
>
> I had a look a the sections you mentioned and agree with your observations,
> so go for it!

>
>Far be it from this newbie to even suggest that changes be made but if my suggestions
lead to a clearer tutorial then 
I am just glad I could help.
R'

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message 
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>
>> I'd be happy to nip in and edit the Wiki if everyone agrees.
>
> I had a look a the sections you mentioned and agree with your 
> observations, so go for it!

Hi Jim,

I tried starting with 
http://wiki.povray.org/content/Documentation:Tutorial_Section_2.1

The page says that changes need to be made on the Talk page (just like the 
last changes I did a couple of weeks ago), but the talk page is empty, where 
the previous talk page contained a copy of the Wiki content and the 
corresponding markup. I copied the page content, but it seemed to lose some 
of the formatting. I saved the unchanged page, removed about 4 '200x150' 
resolution references and saved it again so that the changes should be 
readily identifiable.

I wanted to check that this is the way it's meant to happen before 
continuing. If you then are manually repeating those deletions back into the 
actual page, then it would probably be quicker for me to just get a list of 
all the pages affected and for you to search for '200x150' and delete the 
texts on those pages.

Regards,
Chris B.

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R'Lee wrote:
> Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I happened
> across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I began working
> my way through the tutorials of course. Right off the bat I noticed that the
> tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to render one
> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available in the
> preset rendering options drop down. Not only is this setting not available but
> editing the file for the resolutions where none of the settings look anything
> like what is already in the file.

It sounds like you're using the Windows version of POV-Ray.  You can 
write any command-line options in the box just to the right of the 
resolution drop-down box.  BTW, these will override any other default 
optins -- IOW, putting "+w200 +h150" in that box will make it ignore any 
size selected in the resolution box.  Secondly, these option commands 
will remain in this box until you manually delete or replace them, even 
if you close and re-open POV-Ray.

> Well anyway...I just wanted to drop in and say Hey. I am fairly excited about
> learning this new (to me) program. It looks like just the software I've been
> looking for to render some art projects I've had rattling around my brain pan
> for a while.

Welcome to the world of POVing, you're in for a fun ride.  Also keep 
coming to these newsgroups for lots of general info and specific help 
when you need it.  Many very friendly and helpful people here.

      -=- Larry -=-

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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message 
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> I tried starting with 
> http://wiki.povray.org/content/Documentation:Tutorial_Section_2.1
>
> The page says that changes need to be made on the Talk page (just like the 
> last changes I did a couple of weeks ago), but the talk page is empty, 
> where the previous talk page contained a copy of the Wiki content and the 
> corresponding markup. I copied the page content, but it seemed to lose 
> some of the formatting. I saved the unchanged page, removed about 4 
> '200x150' resolution references and saved it again so that the changes 
> should be readily identifiable.

Yes I saw your changes ... with some fishing. I'm not sure what happened 
with the formatting issue you mentioned. Perhaps it has to do with how you 
copied the original text.

Even with the original page locked down you still should be able to select 
the "edit" function to bring up the built in  editor to copy the sections or 
passages of interest. You just won't be able to make a save to the original. 
After getting the text (wiki markup and all) into copy buffer just cancel 
the edit. Go to the talk page (even it's a new one) and paste the whole glob 
into the edit window and save (talk pages aren't locked down)

> I wanted to check that this is the way it's meant to happen before 
> continuing. If you then are manually repeating those deletions back into 
> the actual page, then it would probably be quicker for me to just get a 
> list of all the pages affected and for you to search for '200x150' and 
> delete the texts on those pages.

Thanks for checking .... I usually look at the page history to easily spot 
the changes. If all is in order yes I do the copy/paste to get the modified 
back into the original. If there are other passages and all it involves is a 
quick edit (like the 1st four) then yes I can work from a list.

Jim

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message 
news:4ae04345@news.povray.org...
> "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message 
> news:4adf77d7@news.povray.org...
>
> Even with the original page locked down you still should be able to select 
> the "edit" function to bring up the built in  editor to copy the sections 
> or passages of interest. You just won't be able to make a save to the 
> original. After getting the text (wiki markup and all) into copy buffer 
> just cancel the edit. Go to the talk page (even it's a new one) and paste 
> the whole glob into the edit window and save (talk pages aren't locked 
> down)
>

Ah! That's what I was doing wrong, I hadn't spotted the 'View Source' button 
within the original page to get Wiki source, so I'd cut and pasted from the 
page itself, which seemed to preserved some of the formatting (source blocks 
and the index), but not others (sub-headers).

I've modified two further tutorial pages (Sections 3 and 3.3). The 3 pages 
in total were the only ones thrown up by a google search of the Wiki site 
for '200x150' or by a Wiki search for the same string.

Regards,
Chris B.

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"R'Lee" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message 
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>>
>>Far be it from this newbie to even suggest that changes be made but if my 
>>suggestions lead to a clearer tutorial then
> I am just glad I could help.
> R'
>

Yes indeed. I think Dr John is right that the tutorials were written a very 
long time ago and probably quite a few versions ago, so if you spot anything 
that needs attention then it's well worth pointing it out. Jim put the 
content of the help on the Wiki quite recently to make it easier to update. 
I believe the intention is that updates should then be reflected back into 
the help file for future releases.

Once I mastered the technique of grabbing the page source to paste into the 
Talk page it proved quite quick and easy to make the changes. :-)

Regards,
Chris B.

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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote in message 
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> I've modified two further tutorial pages (Sections 3 and 3.3). The 3 pages 
> in total were the only ones thrown up by a google search of the Wiki site 
> for '200x150' or by a Wiki search for the same string.

Thank you very much ... those changes have been merged as well!

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] povrayorg> wrote in message 
news:4ae04345@news.povray.org...
> Even with the original page locked down you still should be able to select 
> the "edit" function to bring up the built in  editor to copy the sections 
> or passages of interest. You just won't be able to make a save to the 
> original. After getting the text (wiki markup and all) into copy buffer 
> just cancel the edit. Go to the talk page (even it's a new one) and paste 
> the whole glob into the edit window and save (talk pages aren't locked 
> down)

Thought I also should mention that the "edit" links at top and bottom bring 
up the whole page, whereas the "edit" links to the right of each section 
brings up just that section. If corrections are limited to just one section, 
the entire page isn't necessary.

Jim

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> Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I happened
> across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I began working
> my way through the tutorials of course. Right off the bat I noticed that the
> tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to render one
> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available in the
> preset rendering options drop down. Not only is this setting not available but
> editing the file for the resolutions where none of the settings look anything
> like what is already in the file.
> This resolution is not readily available without going into parts of the program
> that a newbie shouldn't go into until at least the beginning of the advanced
> tutorials.

It sometimes take a fresh eye to spot such things. "Old timers" will 
tend to skip over those parts without realising it.

> Well it's just my opinion having found similar situations in many tutorials
> throughout the internet. The problem is one of a program coming out with a new
> version (call it an updated version if you like) and the tutorials not being up
> to date with the new version.
> This situation has a tendency of confusing a person who is simply trying to
> learn a program.

You are right. It was an old left over from way back. Possibly before 
version 3.0.

> 
> Well anyway...I just wanted to drop in and say Hey. I am fairly excited about
> learning this new (to me) program. It looks like just the software I've been
> looking for to render some art projects I've had rattling around my brain pan
> for a while.
> 
> Well I guess that's enough for my first rant.
> Hope you guys will help where the tutorials fall through as I've described
> above.
> 
> R'
> 
> 

Welcome to our comunity.

You can easily add your own resolutions. Just open "quickres.ini" in 
notepad and add your new sections.
The format is:
[320x200, No AA]
Width=320
Height=200
Antialias=Off

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>> Howdy All. While exploring the Internet for artistic inspiration I 
>> happened
>> across POV-Ray and decided to give it a try. That was Yesterday. I 
>> began working
>> my way through the tutorials of course. Right off the bat I noticed 
>> that the
>> tutorial in describing lighting makes reference to something which is not
>> obviously available in the program. Specifically the tutorial says to 
>> render one
>> of the examples at "200x150 -A" This setting is not readily available 
>> in the
>> preset rendering options drop down. Not only is this setting not 
>> available but
>> editing the file for the resolutions where none of the settings look 
>> anything
>> like what is already in the file.
>> This resolution is not readily available without going into parts of 
>> the program
>> that a newbie shouldn't go into until at least the beginning of the 
>> advanced
>> tutorials.
> 
> It sometimes take a fresh eye to spot such things. "Old timers" will 
> tend to skip over those parts without realising it.
> 
>> Well it's just my opinion having found similar situations in many 
>> tutorials
>> throughout the internet. The problem is one of a program coming out 
>> with a new
>> version (call it an updated version if you like) and the tutorials not 
>> being up
>> to date with the new version.
>> This situation has a tendency of confusing a person who is simply 
>> trying to
>> learn a program.
> 
> You are right. It was an old left over from way back. Possibly before 
> version 3.0.
> 
>>
>> Well anyway...I just wanted to drop in and say Hey. I am fairly 
>> excited about
>> learning this new (to me) program. It looks like just the software 
>> I've been
>> looking for to render some art projects I've had rattling around my 
>> brain pan
>> for a while.
>>
>> Well I guess that's enough for my first rant.
>> Hope you guys will help where the tutorials fall through as I've 
>> described
>> above.
>>
>> R'
>>
>>
> 
> Welcome to our comunity.
> 
> You can easily add your own resolutions. Just open "quickres.ini" in 
> notepad and add your new sections.
> The format is:

For non-antialiased:
[320x200, No AA] This can be about anything. This what will be displayed 
in the drop-down.
Width=320
Height=200
Antialias=Off

For antialiased:
[160x120, AA 0.3]
Width=160
Height=120
Antialias=On
Antialias_Threshold=0.3

A custom entry:
[My dual monitor, High quality]
Width=3200
Height=1200
Antialias=on
Antialias_Threshold=0.01

You can add "Antialias_Threshold=" even with "Antialias=Off", but it 
will be ignored.

Once you are finished, save the file and restart POV-Ray. Your new 
resolutions will be available.

Alain

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