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"Dan P" <dan### [at] yahoo com> wrote in message
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> "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote in message news:4000a697
> <Chop!>
<Hack!>
>
> Perhaps a good way to do this would be to create a patch in
SPatch/HamaPatch
> that generally conforms to the same dimensions of the chair (but with
> considerably less detail). When Poser exports the scene to Wavefront .obj,
> and then PoseRay exports the .obj to .pov, the chair will be isolated in
> your .pov file. Then, just replace the chair patch with your real chair
(in
> what ever method you used to make it -- very likely not a patch, of
course,
> if it is made in PovRay alone).
>
Been doing basically the same in Wings3d, just boxes, once it's posed,
delete the prop and export only the figure. Works, but clumsy.
Rich
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> > "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote in message news:4000a697
> >
> > Perhaps a good way to do this would be to create a patch in
> SPatch/HamaPatch
> > that generally conforms to the same dimensions of the chair (but with
> > considerably less detail). When Poser exports the scene to Wavefront
.obj,
> > and then PoseRay exports the .obj to .pov, the chair will be isolated in
> > your .pov file. Then, just replace the chair patch with your real chair
> (in
> > what ever method you used to make it -- very likely not a patch, of
> course,
> > if it is made in PovRay alone).
> >
> Been doing basically the same in Wings3d, just boxes, once it's posed,
> delete the prop and export only the figure. Works, but clumsy.
This is where standardized units are handy. I always use Ft & In in POV, so
I made a ruler-grid wall prop for Poser with the Ft & In marked on it, then
I can pose my figure next to the wall and put hands, feet, whatever in the
right place. That way one prop works for all scenes rather than have to
make dummy props for every scene.
That's how I placed the referee's hand on the ropes in my IRTC decay entry
(http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2003-10-31/champ_rg.jpg). I knew the
rope at the corner is 4'5" and drops 2.5 inches in the middle, so I raised
his hand to 4'3" and it was almost perfect. Works for sitting, leaning,
anything you know the dimensions in advance. (Actually I don't even need to
know in advance if I'm modelling it in POV, since I can set it to exactly
the dimensions I want)
I even used it once to pose a guy on a unicycle. I just needed to know the
distance from the lowest pedal to the seat, and the distance between pedals,
and it worked great. The hardest part is figuring out your scale in Poser,
which doesn't seem to match any other modeling program I use... In the end
I just decided the default poser guy is 6Ft tall and worked from there.
RG
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> Has anyone determined if they can convert/import Poser 5 models to PovRay?
> If so, are there limitations?
In addition to what other people said, the main "limitation" is simply that
Poser 5 is still just a posing tool (at least from a POV-Ray point of view -
there are lots of people who use it for rendering and then photoshop the
results). While this version is shipped with much better models than the
previous ones, Poser is dependent on the models imported into it, and the
best ones (characters, hair, clothes, textures, poses) are commercial. You
may want to have a little budget for this otherwise you'll be stuck with the
original Poser models and the few free ones of decent quality.
Another limitation is animation : Poser can do very nice character
animation, but to get this into POV-Ray (and into other software in fact)
isn't straightforward and requires exporting each frame.
G.
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"gonzo" <rgo### [at] lansetcom> wrote in message news:4000e3b2@news.povray.org...
> > > "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote in message news:4000a697
> The hardest part is figuring out your scale in Poser,
> which doesn't seem to match any other modeling program I use... In the
end
> I just decided the default poser guy is 6Ft tall and worked from there.
>
It's even worse than that, from some of the threads I've been reading, Don
is six feet, or maybe five foot nine, and Vicky is something over six feet.
Poser modelers don't seem to have a uniform scale. In POV-Ray, I use two
scales, one POV unit = one foot, and Ten POV units = one foot for smaller
objects. Any object I'm going to be re-using becomes an .inc file, and yes,
my include directory is a mess. Works for me, YMMV.
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"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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<snip>
> In addition to what other people said, the main "limitation" is simply
that
> Poser 5 is still just a posing tool (at least from a POV-Ray point of
view -
> there are lots of people who use it for rendering and then photoshop the
> results). While this version is shipped with much better models than the
> previous ones, Poser is dependent on the models imported into it, and the
> best ones (characters, hair, clothes, textures, poses) are commercial. You
> may want to have a little budget for this otherwise you'll be stuck with
the
> original Poser models and the few free ones of decent quality.
> Another limitation is animation : Poser can do very nice character
> animation, but to get this into POV-Ray (and into other software in fact)
> isn't straightforward and requires exporting each frame.
I really only bought Poser for the models and the posing anyway. I started
trying to build my own human patches and decided it was worth the $250 to
get a tool where I could start with a base model (like Don), do changes to
the parameters on the face, body, etc., and just export the thing complete
with clothing, posed and such. For what it claims to do, it does it very
well, and for a reasonable price. Without it, getting human characters
(among other characters -- I'm building a FF like game) would be
prohibitively complex.
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"Dan P" <dan### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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<snip>
> I really only bought Poser for the models and the posing anyway. I started
> trying to build my own human patches and decided it was worth the $250 to
> get a tool where I could start with a base model (like Don), do changes to
> the parameters on the face, body, etc., and just export the thing complete
> with clothing, posed and such. For what it claims to do, it does it very
> well, and for a reasonable price. Without it, getting human characters
> (among other characters -- I'm building a FF like game) would be
> prohibitively complex.
Argh. I'm hating the fact that there just aren't enough clothes available in
the install. Trying to build my own using HamaPatch is turning out to be
tough -- just getting the model into HamaPatch is my first hurdle (IOBrowser
doesn't do a good job).
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Ok... I'll bite. Forgive me if this is obvious to everyone else but I don't
play many games. What is a FF like game?
Just curious,
Carl
"Dan P" <dan### [at] yahoocom> wrote
> (among other characters -- I'm building a FF like game)
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> Argh. I'm hating the fact that there just aren't enough clothes available
in
> the install. Trying to build my own using HamaPatch is turning out to be
> tough -- just getting the model into HamaPatch is my first hurdle
(IOBrowser
> doesn't do a good job).
Well, welcome to Poserland, whose inhabitants are supposed to go around
naked. Sometimes, they wear lingerie or SM gear ;-)
What sort of clothes are you trying to make?
G.
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- POV-Ray and Poser computer images
- Posters
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"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote in message
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> news:4001fe7e@news.povray.org...
>
<Small Hack!>
> Well, welcome to Poserland, whose inhabitants are supposed to go around
> naked. Sometimes, they wear lingerie or SM gear ;-)
You forgot, they also are only found in temples. (Or dungeons, or alien
labs.)
Not being artist enough, I'm pretty well stuck using what others have done,
unless it's a mechanical thing, then I can use a 3d CAD to build it. People
designed in 3D CAD tend to look like robots, and if I clothe them, they're
wearing sheets of steel. Not really what I want.
I really hate poser, but it's about all that's available without going into
the megabucks to get a posed figure.
Rich.
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"Carl Hoff" <hof### [at] wtnet> wrote in message
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> Ok... I'll bite. Forgive me if this is obvious to everyone else but I
don't
> play many games. What is a FF like game?
Final Fantasy :-)
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