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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: blender
Date: 11 Jun 2001 14:45:50
Message: <3B251354.AF6FB60@yahoo.com>
Hi,
  I just came upon blender, which is supposed to use POV-Ray's render engine and
have a modeller look...

Well, it seems very complicated and maybe you know of an easier modeller that
could also do all POV-Ray can, that could use my 3D acceleration for the preview
and that would run on Linux? 

Or if you know of a good documentation for using blender?

Thanks,
  Simon

-- 
||  'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
||  'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'
--
 Simon Lemieux  (lem### [at] yahoocom)


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From: Daniel Lin
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 11 Jun 2001 18:12:08
Message: <3b254238@news.povray.org>
"Simon Lemieux" <lem### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:3B2### [at] yahoocom...
> Hi,
>   I just came upon blender, which is supposed to use POV-Ray's render
engine and
> have a modeller look...
>
> Well, it seems very complicated and maybe you know of an easier modeller
that
> could also do all POV-Ray can, that could use my 3D acceleration for the
preview
> and that would run on Linux?
>
> Or if you know of a good documentation for using blender?
>
> Thanks,
>   Simon
>

I haven't checked it out in a while.  Does it really use POV-Ray's render
engine?  I thought it was scanline, but maybe they've changed since...
AFAIK, their documentation costs money (to compensate for free use of the
program).

p.s. Any good freeware 3d modelers for Windows?  I'm under Win2K so I don't
have DOS, but I don't have money to spend on Moray or Rhino or stuff like
that.  :(

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Me (Daniel Lin (dli### [at] yahoocom))


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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 11 Jun 2001 19:22:36
Message: <3b2552bc$1@news.povray.org>

news:3b254238@news.povray.org...
> p.s. Any good freeware 3d modelers for Windows?  I'm under Win2K so I
don't
> have DOS, but I don't have money to spend on Moray or Rhino or stuff like
> that.  :(

The one I use is Hamapatch. You can find it at:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/6625/soft10.html
Also you can get the help file in english at:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~draven2561/hamapatch/index.html

It's a free program that works with splines, exports (and render) to povray
and megapov (also others), only 428Kb the zip file. Better try it.

More information, plugins, objects, and so on at (follow the hamapatch
links):
http://www.crosswinds.net/~spatch/

Moray is the other modeller I use. You can try it till you can't live
without it (and register as I did, it's not expensive at all)

Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] euskalnetnet
http://home.dencity.com/tji


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 11 Jun 2001 20:50:09
Message: <3B256731.3AFCCABC@videotron.ca>
Simon Lemieux wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>   I just came upon blender, which is supposed to use POV-Ray's render engine and
> have a modeller look...

Blender is (as of two weeks ago) a full-fledged scanline renderer/game
development engine, not a POV-Ray front end.

> Well, it seems very complicated

The interface can be challenging, and rendering realistic scenes can be
a hair-pulling experience compared to the simplicity of POV, especially
when dealing with global illumination and reflections, but some artists
are doing pretty good stuff with it.

> and maybe you know of an easier modeller that
> could also do all POV-Ray can, that could use my 3D acceleration for the preview
> and that would run on Linux?

Check www.povray.co.uk for a link to a KDE modeler for POV.  It's still
wearing diapers at the moment, but it looks promising.

> 
> Or if you know of a good documentation for using blender?
> 

There are some tutorials available, follow the links on the web site.

-- 
Francois Labreque | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it
    flabreque     | is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
        @         | the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a 
   videotron.ca   | warning, it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in
                  | motion.
                               - Stolen from Badger's .sig file


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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 11 Jun 2001 20:53:54
Message: <3B25699B.DF4F02E3@yahoo.com>
Daniel Lin wrote:
> 
> I haven't checked it out in a while.  Does it really use POV-Ray's render
> engine?  I thought it was scanline, but maybe they've changed since...

Oh, I might have been mistaken, I heard that a long long time ago, and I guess I
just never tried to check it out...

> AFAIK, their documentation costs money (to compensate for free use of the
> program).
> 
> p.s. Any good freeware 3d modelers for Windows?  I'm under Win2K so I don't
> have DOS, but I don't have money to spend on Moray or Rhino or stuff like
> that.  :(

No idea...

-- 
||  'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
||  'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'
--
 Simon Lemieux  (lem### [at] yahoocom)


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From: Simon Lemieux
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 12 Jun 2001 00:47:37
Message: <3B25A064.46BDE19F@yahoo.com>
Francois Labreque wrote:
> 
> Simon Lemieux wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >   I just came upon blender, which is supposed to use POV-Ray's render engine and
> > have a modeller look...
> 
> Blender is (as of two weeks ago) a full-fledged scanline renderer/game
> development engine, not a POV-Ray front end.

Yes, sorry, I have become mistaken over the years...

> > Well, it seems very complicated
> 
> The interface can be challenging, and rendering realistic scenes can be
> a hair-pulling experience compared to the simplicity of POV, especially
> when dealing with global illumination and reflections, but some artists
> are doing pretty good stuff with it.

I'm just wondering if it's worth the efforts, I believe it all depends on me... 
I just gave it a little try and oh well...  I guess it'll take a long time until
I master this thing, I'm not sure if I have the patience...

> > and maybe you know of an easier modeller that
> > could also do all POV-Ray can, that could use my 3D acceleration for the preview
> > and that would run on Linux?
> 
> Check www.povray.co.uk for a link to a KDE modeler for POV.  It's still
> wearing diapers at the moment, but it looks promising.

I just checked this out, seems promising, although I have some cold shivers with
the thought of KDE being used for this...

> >
> > Or if you know of a good documentation for using blender?
> >
> 
> There are some tutorials available, follow the links on the web site.

Indeed, I was playing with some tutorial explaining how to build a very simple
castle...

Thanks,
  Simon

-- 
||  'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
||  'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'
--
 Simon Lemieux  (lem### [at] yahoocom)


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From: Paul Jones
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 21 Jun 2001 14:09:50
Message: <3B3238DF.6D6AFB84@psu.edu>
I highly recommend blender, coupled with a dxf to mesh conversion app. I have spent
about 2 weeks messing with it and the modelling options great. I think of it as a
free Rhino. And converting to a mesh (blender can save as dxf files) is easy and
works very well in pov.

I do not use the blender render engine, because it is only scanline, for final
images. I always export and then retexture in pov.

true, the interface is odd, but there are plenty of tutorials (it took me much
longer to get the hang of pov) and it is the same no matter what platform you are
on. I model on a SGI at work at then on win2k box at home. Same file, same
interface.


-paul
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120 Chandlee Laboratory
Penn State University
814-865-2090
pdj### [at] psuedu

http://research.chem.psu.edu/glassgrp/paul
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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 22 Jun 2001 08:03:35
Message: <3b333417@news.povray.org>
"Paul Jones" <pdj### [at] psuedu> wrote in message news:3B3238DF.6D6AFB84@psu.edu...
>
> I highly recommend blender, coupled with a dxf to mesh conversion app. I have
spent
> about 2 weeks messing with it and the modelling options great. I think of it
as a
> free Rhino. And converting to a mesh (blender can save as dxf files) is easy
and
> works very well in pov.
>
> I do not use the blender render engine, because it is only scanline, for final
> images. I always export and then retexture in pov.
>
> true, the interface is odd, but there are plenty of tutorials (it took me much
> longer to get the hang of pov) and it is the same no matter what platform you
are
> on. I model on a SGI at work at then on win2k box at home. Same file, same
> interface.

I couldn't find the modelling tools on Blender so I uninstalled it. If you can
do stuff like Rhino, I might consider getting it again. Does it also have
something like a drape function?

- Nekar


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From: marc ferguson
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 20 Jul 2001 15:32:37
Message: <3b588755@news.povray.org>
"Nekar Xenos" <j-p### [at] citywalkcoza> wrote in message
news:3b333417@news.povray.org...
> "Paul Jones" <pdj### [at] psuedu> wrote in message
news:3B3238DF.6D6AFB84@psu.edu...
> >
> > I highly recommend blender, coupled with a dxf to mesh conversion app. I
have
> spent
> > about 2 weeks messing with it and the modelling options great. I think
of it
> as a
> > free Rhino. And converting to a mesh (blender can save as dxf files) is
easy
> and
> > works very well in pov.
> >
> > I do not use the blender render engine, because it is only scanline, for
final
> > images. I always export and then retexture in pov.
> >
> > true, the interface is odd, but there are plenty of tutorials (it took
me much
> > longer to get the hang of pov) and it is the same no matter what
platform you
> are
> > on. I model on a SGI at work at then on win2k box at home. Same file,
same
> > interface.
>
> I couldn't find the modelling tools on Blender so I uninstalled it. If you
can
> do stuff like Rhino, I might consider getting it again. Does it also have
> something like a drape function?
>
> - Nekar
>
>
OK. Could someone tell me what blender is.  From what i gather its a free
modeller with weird interface and where can i get it if this is the case???

Marc


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From: Bob H 
Subject: Re: blender
Date: 20 Jul 2001 21:20:35
Message: <3b58d8e3@news.povray.org>
"marc ferguson" <mar### [at] ferguson123freeservecouk> wrote in message
news:3b588755@news.povray.org...
>
> OK. Could someone tell me what blender is.  From what i gather its a free
> modeller with weird interface and where can i get it if this is the
case???

http://www.blender.nl/index_community.php

Bob H.


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