"zeroin23" <zer### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Hi Sir,
>
> it would be nice if you can provide the source codes to the POV-Ray.
>
> have you seen this?
> http://wwwchem.leidenuniv.nl/metprot/armand/
> it looks good, but then there is no way to get the source code.
>
> I am trying to replicate the work of reproducing protein secondary structure
> in POV-Ray. After trying to do this for 1.5 years, I am still trying to
> figure out how to draw beta sheets.
>
> Yours images sizes are too big, think you can reduce the size, the entire
> page is 2.58MByte, my suggestion would be, reduce the image to thumbnails
> and at the same time provide PV source, so that if required, anyone can
> replicated themselves and increase the resolution.
>
> The font is nice.


I will put the sources as soon as possible
If i reduce the size of the pictures, the ray tracing do not look very nice.
Francesco

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Francesco Bennardo nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/10/15 16:38:
> "zeroin23" <zer### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Hi Sir,
>>
>> it would be nice if you can provide the source codes to the POV-Ray.
>>
>> have you seen this?
>> http://wwwchem.leidenuniv.nl/metprot/armand/
>> it looks good, but then there is no way to get the source code.
>>
>> I am trying to replicate the work of reproducing protein secondary structure
>> in POV-Ray. After trying to do this for 1.5 years, I am still trying to
>> figure out how to draw beta sheets.
>>
>> Yours images sizes are too big, think you can reduce the size, the entire
>> page is 2.58MByte, my suggestion would be, reduce the image to thumbnails
>> and at the same time provide PV source, so that if required, anyone can
>> replicated themselves and increase the resolution.
>>
>> The font is nice.
> 
> 
> I will put the sources as soon as possible
> If i reduce the size of the pictures, the ray tracing do not look very nice.
> Francesco
> 
> 
> 
You can use tumbnails linking to the full size image. It's a common practice.
That way, if you don't want to view an image, you only get the small thumbnail 
to DL. Save time and bandwidth.
You can always have a full size "featured" image at the beginning of the page. 
It can be scripted to automaticaly change from time to time.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
   My wife's such a bad cook, the dog begs for Alka-Seltzer.
   	Rodney Dangerfield

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Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Francesco Bennardo nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/10/15 16:38:
> > "zeroin23" <zer### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >> Hi Sir,
> >>
> >> it would be nice if you can provide the source codes to the POV-Ray.
> >>
> >> have you seen this?
> >> http://wwwchem.leidenuniv.nl/metprot/armand/
> >> it looks good, but then there is no way to get the source code.
> >>
> >> I am trying to replicate the work of reproducing protein secondary structure
> >> in POV-Ray. After trying to do this for 1.5 years, I am still trying to
> >> figure out how to draw beta sheets.
> >>
> >> Yours images sizes are too big, think you can reduce the size, the entire
> >> page is 2.58MByte, my suggestion would be, reduce the image to thumbnails
> >> and at the same time provide PV source, so that if required, anyone can
> >> replicated themselves and increase the resolution.
> >>
> >> The font is nice.
> >
> >
> > I will put the sources as soon as possible
> > If i reduce the size of the pictures, the ray tracing do not look very nice.
> > Francesco
> >
> >
> >
> You can use tumbnails linking to the full size image. It's a common practice.
> That way, if you don't want to view an image, you only get the small thumbnail
> to DL. Save time and bandwidth.
> You can always have a full size "featured" image at the beginning of the page.
> It can be scripted to automaticaly change from time to time.
>
> --
> Alain
> -------------------------------------------------
>    My wife's such a bad cook, the dog begs for Alka-Seltzer.
>     Rodney Dangerfield

Dear friends,
i prefer to have comments about the quality of the ray tracing molecules, if
you all like to do.
I know the sizes of the molecules are big, but they are big on purpose.
I want to emphasize the great power of our beloved, great, excellent, POV
Ray. Look in the galleries. There are 120 molecules ray tracing and many
other in the site pages. All the graphics is POV Ray made.
My site is built for a 1280x960 resolution.
Thank you all
Francesco

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> My site is built for a 1280x960 resolution.

Sites built for specific resolutions (particularly if they are *that* 
high resolutions) are bad by definition.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:19:35 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Sites built for specific resolutions (particularly if they are *that*
> high resolutions) are bad by definition.

Similarly, requiring plugins that are tied to a particular OS makes it 
difficult for those of us who choose a different OS to use the site....

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:19:35 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
> > Sites built for specific resolutions (particularly if they are *that*
> > high resolutions) are bad by definition.
>
> Similarly, requiring plugins that are tied to a particular OS makes it
> difficult for those of us who choose a different OS to use the site....
>
> Jim

Dear friends,
on the the average the OS more used is Windows, the plugin to see the
dynamic molecules (Chime) is for Windows only, the monitors are 17" or 19",
the
ADSL is from 2mega on, etc.: there are all the ingredients for big
graphical sites i think. Anyway, my site is both for dynamic molecules and
for static raytracing molecule pictures. Also, all the graphics is built
with POV Ray, molecules, banners, anything. Please do not look first the
size or the functionality of the site: look first the graphics. That is,
look all the graphics (made with POV Ray), then give me a comment on the
quality of the graphics, if it is good, not good, too light, too dark,
clear, confusing, etc. Then, tell me anything you want. I am searching
comments on the quality of the graphics just to improve it. At last,
because i really love POV Ray, give me a comment on what i done with POV
Ray. A nice day for you all ant thank you very much.
Francesco

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:59:06 -0400, Francesco Bennardo wrote:

> look first the graphics.

Kinda hard to do on Linux when the plugin requires Windows!

If you want feedback on the graphics, the site has to be usable as well.  
Site design that specifies a particular resolution (my 17" monitor, for 
example, only does up to 1280x1024 - so it's probably good you didn't 
specify 1400x1050 or higher) or platform limits your audience.

There are plenty of cross-platform technologies that should be able to 
meet the needs to display your images.  Like PNG files, for example, or 
Flash if you really insist on having some animation.

Jim

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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:59:06 -0400, Francesco Bennardo wrote:
>
> > look first the graphics.
>
> Kinda hard to do on Linux when the plugin requires Windows!
>
> If you want feedback on the graphics, the site has to be usable as well.
> Site design that specifies a particular resolution (my 17" monitor, for
> example, only does up to 1280x1024 - so it's probably good you didn't
> specify 1400x1050 or higher) or platform limits your audience.
>
> There are plenty of cross-platform technologies that should be able to
> meet the needs to display your images.  Like PNG files, for example, or
> Flash if you really insist on having some animation.
>
> Jim

I will see what i can do. In the mean, if someone is able to see the
raytracing molecules and want to give me a feedback, any feedback is
welcome.
Thank you again
Francesco

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I went around to installing the plug-in. The default animation is pretty cool.
If you rotate a big molecule the movement is jerky, you need more frames in the
anumations. The pics displayed in 1:1 ratio on my monitor, but it looks like the
renders are set for a 4:3 monitor?
I suppose most of the users will know what atoms are where, but for laymen like
me you should include a legend indicating the atoms colour.
The highlight on the spheres is strange but not uncool.
I must say I was amazed at the number of molecules you have in there!

Oh, and some stuff isn't in English.

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"Grassblade" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> I went around to installing the plug-in. The default animation is pretty cool.
> If you rotate a big molecule the movement is jerky, you need more frames in the
> anumations. The pics displayed in 1:1 ratio on my monitor, but it looks like the
> renders are set for a 4:3 monitor?
> I suppose most of the users will know what atoms are where, but for laymen like
> me you should include a legend indicating the atoms colour.
> The highlight on the spheres is strange but not uncool.
> I must say I was amazed at the number of molecules you have in there!
>
> Oh, and some stuff isn't in English.

Hello,
there is a link to "Colors of the elements" in the main menu, where there are
all the atom colors. Also, the plugin have a menu (click right mouse button on
the molecule) where you can change many things interactively.
I first built the site in italian language, then i translate it, but i have not
finished yet (see the welcome on the home page). In high school i studied
French, and i learned some english (not very good) myself.
I plan to remake the site and put the molecules in the way i done for the sugars
(see Carbohydrates in the home page), where any molecule have it own page. For
the static POV-Ray ray-tracing molecules, there are 120 pictures in 12
galleries: i would like to hear comments about them. The site is built in
simple html, without any new sophisticate technology, so one must have care to
download one thing only, the chime plugin. Without the chime plugin, one can
see the POV-Ray ray-tracing pictures (and some minor stuff).
Thank you very much.
A big thanks to the POV-Ray team.
Francesco

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