> You are aware that you can delete files from SDL (depending 
> io-restrictions of course)?  Well - not exactly delete but reduce to 
> zero file size.  Just open them with #fopen in write mode.

Well... So I would start with 200GB mesh data on my disk, and when the 
renderer finished the disk would be nearly empty again.
I can't see how this should help if I don't have 200GB free disk space 
in the first place.

Sure, there are workarounds (the external application could try to 
produce the per-frame data while POV-Ray is still rendering the previous 
frame, and it could even communicate with the POV-Ray-script using 
external files or POV's shell-out option). The point is: this makes 
writing external applications that use POV-Ray merely as a renderer 
unnecessarily complicated.

-sascha

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Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> Eduardo Bolis wrote:
> > In the Windows version, Can I disable the initial splash window (the same
> > showed by "about" option from help menu.) when I Call POV-Ray from another
> > program?
> > Sorry if it is obvious, but I no find it anywhere.
>
> Well what's obvious is that the only reason you would want to disable
> the splash screen is to obscure the fact that POV-Ray is called and this
> it both unethical and illegal.
>
> You can of course build a console version of POV-Ray that won't generate
> any graphical output.  You can also prevent the splash screen to turn up
> *every* time you invoke POV-Ray by using a GUI extension - QuietPOV
> shows how this can be done:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.dreampeach.com/QuietPOV
>
> Christoph
>
> --
> POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
> http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/ (Last updated 24 Jul. 2005)
> MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/

It's not my intention to "obscure the fact" that I am using POV-Ray in my
program. My program is texture lab that allow create and test POV-Ray
textures interactively and IN ALL THE PROGRAM CONTEXT "it's obvious" that
it use POV_RAY to show the results. The only reason I want to skip the
Splash Window is time. If the spash screen don't expend extra time, I don't
mind with it.
before you make some "personal comments", you must know if it refletes the
truth, Becouse Confucius said once, "Only the dummies make shure about what
they say".

thanks for your help,

Eduardo.

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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:dhdf52$2fj$1@chho.imagico.de...
> Dre wrote:
> >
> > Do we really need to see that splash *every* single time we run POV?  I
know
> > whats on it, so I'd be more than happy to make the thing launch that
little
> > bit faster and not have to click ok all the time.
>
> I would really appreciate if you'd not spread such misinformation.  You
> don't have to click on anything when starting POV-Ray and nearly every
> program i ever used on Windows shows a splash screen when starting.
>
> Christoph
>
> -- 
> POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Landscape of the week:
> http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/ (Last updated 24 Jul. 2005)
> MegaPOV with mechanics simulation: http://megapov.inetart.net/

Sorry, but can you please point out any mis information I may have
spread????  as far as I am concerned I haven't at all..

Re Windows programs having the splash screens, they all have an option to
switch it off, which I have done in all cases possible as I hate them.

Cheers Dre

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"Larry Hudson" <org### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:433b5079$1@news.povray.org...
> Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > Tim Cook wrote:

<snip>

> Finally, I do wish you would tone down some of your answers.  They
> sometimes come across as very condescending and arrogant.  Not always
> nor frequently -- but occasionally.  You are certainly knowledgeable and
> your answers are accurate (you are a POV-team member, right?).  However,
> the way *some* of your responses come across give a very negative
> impression.  I'm sure this is not your intention, but...
>
<snip>
>       -=- Larry -=-

I fully agree, the tone of all Chris' answers so far hasn't been real nice
and none of us are against anyone here, just after answers!

Cheers Dre

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http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0013390/povcyg/

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Larry Hudson <org### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> >
>
> Yes, most Windows programs have splash screens.  Many (not by any means
> all) allow it to be turned off in the program's options or preferences.
>   After all, when you've already seen it for the 595th time (more or
> less  ;-)  ) it does get rather redundant and boring, even if it does go
> away automatically after a short delay.
>

Quite right!


> And as to:
>
> Christoph Hormann wrote:
>  > Well what's obvious is that the only reason you would want to disable
>  > the splash screen is to obscure the fact that POV-Ray is called and this
>  > it both unethical and illegal.
>
> I don't understand this answer at all.  If I'm running my copy of POVRay
> (or whatever splash-screened program) on my own system, who the h... am
> I going to obscure this fact from???
>
> Finally, I do wish you would tone down some of your answers.  They
> sometimes come across as very condescending and arrogant.  Not always
> nor frequently -- but occasionally.  You are certainly knowledgeable and
> your answers are accurate (you are a POV-team member, right?).  However,
> the way *some* of your responses come across give a very negative
> impression.  I'm sure this is not your intention, but...
>
> I'm also sure you get tired of answering the same old questions by about
> the 156th time, but I think you could exhibit a bit less impatience
> about it.
>
>       -=- Larry -=-

Fully agree with Larry. When reading though the thread I was a bit surprised
that there were no reactions to Christoph's tone. I not only find it
condescending and arrogant, but very agressive as well, starting his first
reply about the unethical and illegal thing.
Unethical? It would be unethical if I was trying to deny it is POVray or
pose it as another (e.g. my own) program, which I won't.
Illegal? No more than removing the brand name from, say, my PC monitor.

The reason I want to disable the splash screen is esthetical rather than
ethical: it's simply the fugliest rendering image I've ever seen!!!

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stevenvh wrote:
> Illegal? No

Wrong!!! It is illegal to remove copyright notices from copyrighted works.
The splash screen is exactly such a copyright notice.

If you look even at say the GPL 3 draft (section 7, point b), you will
notice that they explicitly allow authors to prevent removal of splash
screens and such as an optional addendum to the license. And that is just
one recent example.

	Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> stevenvh wrote:
> > Illegal? No
>
> Wrong!!! It is illegal to remove copyright notices from copyrighted works.
> The splash screen is exactly such a copyright notice.
>
> If you look even at say the GPL 3 draft (section 7, point b), you will
> notice that they explicitly allow authors to prevent removal of splash
> screens and such as an optional addendum to the license. And that is just
> one recent example.
>
>  Thorsten

Hmm....  It seems like if it's necessary to put something in a license it's
probably because it doesn't have blacket coverage stated in a law.
Therefore, to me it seems like the questions are whether indeed there is a
law preventing removal of any and all copyright notices, whether
suppression but not removal would count the same way*, and whether the given
copyrighted work has a license that insists users accept splash screen as a
non-disableable feature.

*If suppression were blanketly illegal, then another (kindof crazy) question
is whether a copyright owner can even authorize suppression via menu option.
I suppose the presense or absense of a menu option kindof implies a you-may
or you-may-not when it comes to that; the point is that if suppression
counted as removal, then it makes a blanket law regarding any-and-all
copyright notices more difficult. I.e. there'd be more dependance on
implicit or explicit licenses.  Also by "suppression but not removal" I of
course mean e.g. where the splash-screen shows up until you choose a menu
option, and is still always readily available from the Help menu.


Charles

PS, I know I'll probably regret posting.  I don't much like these thorny
threads, so why did I read all the way through it?

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Charles C wrote:
> Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
>> stevenvh wrote:
>>> Illegal? No
>> Wrong!!! It is illegal to remove copyright notices from copyrighted works.
>> The splash screen is exactly such a copyright notice.
>>
>> If you look even at say the GPL 3 draft (section 7, point b), you will
>> notice that they explicitly allow authors to prevent removal of splash
>> screens and such as an optional addendum to the license. And that is just
>> one recent example.
>>
>>  Thorsten
> 
> Hmm....  It seems like if it's necessary to put something in a license it's

Did you actually read the GPL 3 draft? You are responding to something that
this isn't about: There is no question about it being illegal, but the fact
that the GPL due to its nature would allow such illegal act by default (as
it allows any kind of modification) and hence includes provisions to prevent
specific normally illegal acts by making them illegal even within the very
*liberal* context of the GPL towards copyright.

	Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
> Did you actually read the GPL 3 draft? You are responding to something that
> this isn't about: There is no question about it being illegal, but the fact
> that the GPL due to its nature would allow such illegal act by default (as
> it allows any kind of modification) and hence includes provisions to prevent
> specific normally illegal acts by making them illegal even within the very
> *liberal* context of the GPL towards copyright.
>
>  Thorsten

No I didn't read it. Maybe I should go do some homework though. I've taken a
quick look now. My intent was to talk in generalities without first making
myself an expert.

My basic point (for the purpose of philosophical debate) was just that this:

> If you look even at say the GPL 3 draft (section 7, point b), you will
> notice that they explicitly allow authors to prevent removal of splash
> screens and such as an optional addendum to the license. And that is just
> one recent example.

doesn't directly support this:

> Wrong!!! It is illegal to remove copyright notices from copyrighted works.
> The splash screen is exactly such a copyright notice.

as they also are different subjects.  Maybe that's where I assummed
incorrectly. I thought you were using one to support the other.

I think you're answering my first question though.  If I'm interpreting
correctly, I think you're saying that the law doesn't mean removal of "any
and all" copyright notices is illegal.  Rather, it applies just to the ones
you haven't recieved permission to remove.  If it *were* still illegal even
if not fobidden (aka if-allowed-by) a particular license then, being
illegal, any toggling of permissions by the license would be irrelevent
wherever the law applies.

Charles

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