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On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:48:07 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> * The trick is that the "Step 2" page contains all the data you entered in
> hidden form input fields. So if you close the browser window without
> completing the registration, the data you entered is lost.
A bit of a twist over here on the same subject, I use a different ISP for
my mail than I do for browsing.
So I'm browsing and decide to go and do the registration thing, I fill in
all the fields then it tells me I need the key that I've been emailed.
So I go off line (I believe that the form holds my IP address which will
change every time I go online), I close all the browser windows because
I know that when you do one of these registration thingies you always
get a link to click on in the email which lets you complete the
registration.
Now I run my script that goes online gets mail and disconnects again.
I open the mail from the POV registration page to find no link, just a
key and no way of getting back to the step two page with my registration
key.
Also in the email it did this:
We have received a request from 213.122.222.164 for registration of your
email address <steve%40zeropps.uklinux.net> for the POV-Ray website.
^^^
Some people may get freeked by this.
--
%HAV-A-NICEDAY email mailto:ste### [at] zeropps uklinuxnet
Steve web http://www.zeropps.uklinux.net/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
10:30am up 18 days, 20:50, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
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I love the new desig, but on this page:
http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups/oetut.php
The browser seems to thaink that any text content is a link, and underlines
the text when I hold the mouse over it. This doesn't happen on any of the
other pages that I've seen on the site.
PS: It's a nice surprise to see my own work included in the new site:-)
--
sphere{z*5,1pigment{rgb.5}finish{reflection.3specular.5}}box{<-50,-3,-50>
<50,-2,50>pigment{checker/*\__\\__/ * \_\\__*/scale 2}finish{ambient.7}}
light_source/*__\\__\\__\\__\\__\( ~ )\__\\__\\__\\__\\*/{<2,5,1>*4,1}
/*\\__\\__\\__\\__\\__\\__\\__\\__\~ -/__\\__\\__\\__\\__\\*//* Steve */
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"Steve" <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] zeroppsorguk...
> I love the new desig, but on this page:
>
> http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups/oetut.php
>
> The browser seems to thaink that any text content is a link, and underlines
> the text when I hold the mouse over it. This doesn't happen on any of the
> other pages that I've seen on the site.
This seems only to happen in Mozilla, and is most strange - Mozilla seems to think
that any tag of the form '<a name="Something">' without a closing '</a>' implies
that all the following text should be displayed as a link ...
This may (or may not) be technically correct, but it's a bit of a pain since other
browsers don't (AFAIK) do this.
I've fixed this page anyhow, by adding the </a>'s ... thanks for the report.
-- Chris
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"Steve" <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] zeroppsorguk...
> I love the new desig, but on this page:
>
> http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups/oetut.php
>
> The browser seems to thaink that any text content is a link, and underlines
> the text when I hold the mouse over it. This doesn't happen on any of the
> other pages that I've seen on the site.
Hmm, I'm not experiencing that - maybe a temp. glitch (a closing </a> might have
been missed out from the last item in the table of contents or something?).
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"Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3d33fa29@news.povray.org...
>
>
> This seems only to happen in Mozilla, and is most strange - Mozilla seems to
think
> that any tag of the form '<a name="Something">' without a closing '</a>'
implies
> that all the following text should be displayed as a link ...
>
Ah - iirc Mozilla is correct. In any case, even tags that don't require a
closing tag should now end with /> (presumably <br/> rather than <br> )
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In article <slr### [at] zeroppsorguk> , Steve
<ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
> So I'm browsing and decide to go and do the registration thing, I fill in
> all the fields then it tells me I need the key that I've been emailed.
>
> So I go off line (I believe that the form holds my IP address which will
> change every time I go online), I close all the browser windows because
> I know that when you do one of these registration thingies you always
> get a link to click on in the email which lets you complete the
> registration.
Well, it usually helps to follow the instructions presented on screen. They
read
"You will receive an email with a key to unlock your account. Your
registration is not complete until you have completed step 2 and step 3
which require the registration key you will receive by email to your private
email address within a few minutes after sending this form."
Please note the "not complete"!
And even if you missed that note, it immediately brings you to Step 2, which
reads
"Enter the registration key"
and gives you a text entry field. It also has a button labled "Finish
Registration", and usually if one still has to finish something it implies
one has not yet finished it. So essentially you just did not read the
really simple one sentence instruction on the screen.
> Now I run my script that goes online gets mail and disconnects again.
> I open the mail from the POV registration page to find no link, just a
> key and no way of getting back to the step two page with my registration
> key.
You know, the idea of disconnecting twice between registering is somehow a
bit unusual. Maybe you are trying to make life more complicated for
yourself that necessary? ;-)
> We have received a request from 213.122.222.164 for registration of your
> email address <steve%40zeropps.uklinux.net> for the POV-Ray website.
> ^^^
Ups, that was caused by a recent change to that script...
> Some people may get freeked by this.
Only those who do not even read one-line instructions. However, the ability
to read or have someone to read for your what is presented on screen is the
most fundamental requirement of the world wide web.
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:27:56 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
wrote:
> > Some people may get freeked by this.
>
> Only those who do not even read one-line instructions. However, the ability
> to read or have someone to read for your what is presented on screen is the
> most fundamental requirement of the world wide web.
The problem is that it is constructed not the most popular way IMO. From my
experience (probably not enough) usually mail with code/confirmation contains
link to page with next step of registration. If something works otherwise it
should be noted to warn user to not close his browser. I have failed your
fundamental test for intelligence. I must be really stupid just becouse my
mail account wasn't online for some hours. I could leave browser opened
becouse POV-Ray was rendering but closed it to unlock resources.
ABX
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In article <3d33fa29@news.povray.org> , "Chris Cason"
<new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote:
> This seems only to happen in Mozilla, and is most strange - Mozilla seems to
> think that any tag of the form '<a name="Something">' without a closing '</a>'
> implies that all the following text should be displayed as a link ...
They are, as in many other case, over-interpreting the HTML 4 "Standard".
So, again the holly and unfailable master teachers of proper web design in
the Mozilla development group force the specification on the user no matter
what the cost. Hence the obvious is not to use intentionally broken
browsers like Mozilla!
Or, IMO the problem is the (only self-appointed after all!) W3C which exists
as industry self-interest defending group outside reliable and responsible
acting organizations (i.e. ISO committees). Instead, the W3C is obviously
the battleground certain companies like to play with users instead being
concerned about them. And on this way they forgot one of the most important
principles, already stated in as ancient documents as the IP and TCP
specifications:
"In general, an implementation must be conservative in its sending behavior,
and liberal in its receiving behavior."
But who cares about putting something like this into any of the W3C
documents? Nobody, because good and useful "standards" are obviously not
their priority. Instead, they take the most convenient way and say behavior
is undefined. In conclusion, only giant boating of so-called "standards"
with useless features is what they do all day long :-(
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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In article <3d33ff8e@news.povray.org> , "Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk>
wrote:
> presumably <br/> rather than <br>
No, that is completely wrong!
Thorsten
____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org
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"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:3d340c1b@news.povray.org...
> In article <3d33ff8e@news.povray.org> , "Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk>
> wrote:
>
> > presumably <br/> rather than <br>
>
> No, that is completely wrong!
>
Really?
from: http://www.shorewalker.com/pages/xhtml_overview-1.html
"XHTML does ask you to change your current HTML documents, but it doesn't ask
the world. Your documents will need some alien-looking new headers; you must put
quote marks around tag attributes; the humble break tag, <br>, now becomes <br
/>, and so on. But a good search-and-replace tool will take care of much of the
XHTML transformation. And Web sites that already create pages out of templates
and databased content using code-based editing tools will find the
transformation particularly easy."
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