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Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 15 Jul 2002 04:46:15
Message: <bk25ju4uol0vdeacqame9290f07eb48m6g@4ax.com>
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:48:32 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
wrote:
> I think you are really missing the point here.

That's possible. Sorry for bothering.

> > Another question: is it necessary to create login page with my email
> > recognized with cookies?
>
> Just turn off cookies

To not work with http://news.povray.org/ ?

> or turn off that particular cookie.

That's solution. But page could aware about it somehow becouse I looks more
like MS IntelliAutoSomething (just my personal opinion)

> Actually, I spend a lot of time to make the secure.

Great!

ABX


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 15 Jul 2002 05:04:57
Message: <3d329039@news.povray.org>

Skiba <abx### [at] babilonorg>  wrote:

>> or turn off that particular cookie.
>
> That's solution. But page could aware about it somehow becouse I looks more
> like MS IntelliAutoSomething (just my personal opinion)

Well, while its use may not be visible immediately, once posting in the web
news interface really works, it will be a bit more convenient as it will
(for the time being) require authorization for each post.

>> Actually, I spend a lot of time to make the secure.
>
> Great!

BTW, it had to do with how the cookie stores the user information.  At first
it would store the userid, which happens to be the same ID used when viewing
user profiles in the world map.  So before I added protection of it one
could just take the userid from there and plug it into the cookie and then
see the private email address.  That is no longer possible thanks to
additional validation of the cookie.  Anyway, I am just mentioning this as
anybody who might try to implement something similar may not immediately
think of such a loophole ;-)

    Thorsten

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 15 Jul 2002 10:11:57
Message: <3D32D82C.BAF3ACDE@gmx.de>
Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> [...]
> > At least i will mail the author about the mistakes in the text.
> 
> They changed it a bit now.  Not much better, but at least now using a kind
> of German word for isosurface, so one can only complain about the miserable
> translation now ;-(

I know, it was changed after i told them about the mistake, see also
thread:

news://news.povray.org/3D31A2C0.F95F21EB%40gmx.de

Christoph

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 06:01:39
Message: <slrnaj7qj1.u16.steve@zeropps.org.uk>
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:48:07 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
 
> * The trick is that the "Step 2" page contains all the data you entered in
> hidden form input fields.  So if you close the browser window without
> completing the registration, the data you entered is lost.

A bit of a twist over here on the same subject, I use a different ISP for
my mail than I do for browsing.  

So I'm browsing and decide to go and do the registration thing, I fill in 
all the fields then it tells me I need the key that I've been emailed. 

So I go off line (I believe that the form holds my IP address which will
change every time I go online), I close all the browser windows because 
I know that when you do one of these registration thingies you always 
get a link to click on in the email which lets you complete the 
registration. 

Now I run my script that goes online gets mail and disconnects again. 
I open the mail from the POV registration page to find no link, just a 
key and no way of getting back to the step two page with my registration
key. 

Also in the email it did this:

We have received a request from 213.122.222.164 for registration of your
email address <steve%40zeropps.uklinux.net> for the POV-Ray website.
                    ^^^

Some people may get freeked by this. 

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 06:20:00
Message: <slrnaj7sq9.u8n.steve@zeropps.org.uk>
I love the new desig, but on this page:

http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups/oetut.php

The browser seems to thaink that any text content is a link, and underlines
the text when I hold the mouse over it.  This doesn't happen on any of the 
other pages that I've seen on the site. 

PS: It's a nice surprise to see my own work included in the new site:-)

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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 06:49:13
Message: <3d33fa29@news.povray.org>
"Steve" <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] zeroppsorguk...
> I love the new desig, but on this page:
>
> http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups/oetut.php
>
> The browser seems to thaink that any text content is a link, and underlines
> the text when I hold the mouse over it.  This doesn't happen on any of the
> other pages that I've seen on the site.

This seems only to happen in Mozilla, and is most strange - Mozilla seems to think
that any tag of the form '<a name="Something">' without a closing '</a>' implies
that all the following text should be displayed as a link ...

This may (or may not) be technically correct, but it's a bit of a pain since other
browsers don't (AFAIK) do this.

I've fixed this page anyhow, by adding the </a>'s ... thanks for the report.

-- Chris


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 06:58:34
Message: <3d33fc5a@news.povray.org>
"Steve" <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote in message
news:slr### [at] zeroppsorguk...
> I love the new desig, but on this page:
>
> http://www.povray.org/resources/newsgroups/oetut.php
>
> The browser seems to thaink that any text content is a link, and underlines
> the text when I hold the mouse over it.  This doesn't happen on any of the
> other pages that I've seen on the site.

Hmm, I'm not experiencing that - maybe a temp. glitch (a closing </a> might have
been missed out from the last item in the table of contents or something?).


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:12:14
Message: <3d33ff8e@news.povray.org>
"Chris Cason" <new### [at] deletethispovrayorg> wrote in message
news:3d33fa29@news.povray.org...
>
>
> This seems only to happen in Mozilla, and is most strange - Mozilla seems to
think
> that any tag of the form '<a name="Something">' without a closing '</a>'
implies
> that all the following text should be displayed as a link ...
>

Ah - iirc Mozilla is correct. In any case, even tags that don't require a
closing tag should now end with /> (presumably <br/> rather than <br> )


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:28:29
Message: <3d34035d@news.povray.org>
In article <slr### [at] zeroppsorguk> , Steve 
<ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet>  wrote:

> So I'm browsing and decide to go and do the registration thing, I fill in
> all the fields then it tells me I need the key that I've been emailed.
>
> So I go off line (I believe that the form holds my IP address which will
> change every time I go online), I close all the browser windows because
> I know that when you do one of these registration thingies you always
> get a link to click on in the email which lets you complete the
> registration.

Well, it usually helps to follow the instructions presented on screen.  They
read

"You will receive an email with a key to unlock your account. Your
registration is not complete until you have completed step 2 and step 3
which require the registration key you will receive by email to your private
email address within a few minutes after sending this form."

Please note the "not complete"!

And even if you missed that note, it immediately brings you to Step 2, which
reads

"Enter the registration key"

and gives you a text entry field.  It also has a button labled "Finish
Registration", and usually if one still has to finish something it implies
one has not yet finished it.  So essentially you just did not read the
really simple one sentence instruction on the screen.

> Now I run my script that goes online gets mail and disconnects again.
> I open the mail from the POV registration page to find no link, just a
> key and no way of getting back to the step two page with my registration
> key.

You know, the idea of disconnecting twice between registering is somehow a
bit unusual.  Maybe you are trying to make life more complicated for
yourself that necessary?  ;-)

> We have received a request from 213.122.222.164 for registration of your
> email address <steve%40zeropps.uklinux.net> for the POV-Ray website.
>                     ^^^

Ups, that was caused by a recent change to that script...

> Some people may get freeked by this.

Only those who do not even read one-line instructions.  However, the ability
to read or have someone to read for your what is presented on screen is the
most fundamental requirement of the world wide web.

    Thorsten

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e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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From:
Subject: Re: New POV-Ray webpage
Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:47:12
Message: <1118juced79s3vgmtl395jnpdc944tl2st@4ax.com>
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:27:56 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde>
wrote:
> > Some people may get freeked by this.
>
> Only those who do not even read one-line instructions.  However, the ability
> to read or have someone to read for your what is presented on screen is the
> most fundamental requirement of the world wide web.

The problem is that it is constructed not the most popular way IMO. From my
experience (probably not enough) usually mail with code/confirmation contains
link to page with next step of registration. If something works otherwise it
should be noted to warn user to not close his browser. I have failed your
fundamental test for intelligence. I must be really stupid just becouse my
mail account wasn't online for some hours. I could leave browser opened
becouse POV-Ray was rendering but closed it to unlock resources.

ABX


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