ingo wrote:

> Although the emphasis is on Python, POV-Ray certainly has a role in it:
> 
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/numeracy0.html
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html
> 
> 
> Ingo

Interesting links.  Thanks.  That's more than anything I've been doing.

Dave Matthews

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Jim Charter wrote:

>But I admit I don't have any specific ideas about how to 
> incorporate POV with teaching.  

So far, most of what I've done has been along the lines of using POV to 
create visual aids.


>Any attempts I have made to interest 
> highschool math teachers I know have not lead to much interest.  

This spring, when I have more time, I plan to go around to the area 
highschools and talk to the math and especially computer teachers to see 
if I can generate some interest among them and the students.  I'd like 
to try to organize a student POVRay contest for the 2004 - 05 school 
year (we'll see about that. . . .)
>I would 
> be interested to know what you are doing.

At my previous school, on the Navajo reservation, I got a couple of 
students interested in POVRay -- I'm not sure if they're still doing 
anything.  There could be great potential there (I'm probably going to 
move back; I miss it) since there's a high emphasis on the visual arts 
throughout the college (students are required to take courses in 
traditional Navajo arts, such as silversmithing, basketweaving and 
blanket weaving.)

Here, so far, I've just been using POV for demonstrations.  I'll post up 
a still from one of my animations (I make QuickTime animations, and 
QuickTime doesn't export to MPEG1 -- I know, there's Movie2MPEG, and I 
converted a movie at home, and forgot to bring it along to the office -- 
anyway. . . .)

It's easy to demonstrate cross-products, vector fields, directional 
derivatives, etc., although I keep forgetting that many of the needed 
functions can be found ready-made in POVRay or math.inc, and I tend to 
re-invent my own.  I also make heavy use of Ingo's param.inc for 
creating lots and lots of classic and new parametric surfaces.


Dave Matthews

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> I think the big difference with time-tables is just that in the business
> world, delaying the release can cost a company dearly.

In the case of Poser 5, it was even worse than that. From what I gathered,
they were desperate for cash, if only to keep the employees on the payroll,
so the product was rushed out the door. Since then, they've been through
reorganisation and I just received an announcement about them having a new
parent company for a new one, the 4th in 7 years : after Fractal Design,
Metacreations and Egisys it's now E-frontier, a Japanese company that makes
a famous (in Japan)3D app called Shade.

G.



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It is the difference between Love and Money, I think. If Pov-Ray were to go
commercial (heaven forbid) I don't think it would survive in its present
excellence. 

BTW I tried Poser 5 and was under whelmed I will stick to Poser 4 until I can
afford a Cray.

Regards
        Stephen

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"Stephen McAvoy" <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM> wrote in message
news:gsp5uvk1j7sjrodm83b7gurfujbh6gf635@4ax.com...
> It is the difference between Love and Money, I think. If Pov-Ray were to
go
> commercial (heaven forbid) I don't think it would survive in its present
> excellence.

Yes, Heaven forbid!  It's nice knowing when something doesn't work, the
problem came from me.  That I can fix.
>
> BTW I tried Poser 5 and was under whelmed I will stick to Poser 4 until I
can
> afford a Cray.
>
Not sure that would be fast enough for P5.  Will a Cray even (Crash!!)  do
(BSD) windoze?

Greybeard ;^))

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:45:56 -0600, "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote:

>Yes, Heaven forbid!  It's nice knowing when something doesn't work, the
>problem came from me.  That I can fix.

Another thing, I don't think a commercial programme could provide the level of
support we get with Pov-Ray. More power to our collective elbows :-}

Regards
        Stephen

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"Stephen McAvoy" <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM> wrote in message
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> Another thing, I don't think a commercial programme could provide the
level of
> support we get with Pov-Ray. More power to our collective elbows :-}
>
Yes, Yes, and absolutely Yes!  Being a mathematic dummy, and I mean almost
no math, I lean pretty heavily on what others have posted and otherwise made
available.  What I have downloaded from the web, and from these groups would
have cost thousands of dollars for any other program.  The list of people I
would have to thank is longer than I would be allowed to post in a
non-binary group.

Greybeard

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:20:42 -0600, "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote:

>What I have downloaded from the web, and from these groups would
>have cost thousands of dollars for any other program.  The list of people I
>would have to thank is longer than I would be allowed to post in a
>non-binary group.

Goes for me too. And if I had a beard it would be grey also :-}

Regards
        Stephen

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In article <3fdee556$1@news.povray.org>,
 "Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote:

> > Is simple curiosity. Because PovRay 3.5 have a date of 2002 and i dont know
> > if the "project" stay alive, or 3.5 was the last pov.
> 
> Didn't someone do a faq for this?

Back in 2000. :-/
It hasn't been updated since, but is still mostly valid:
http://news.povray.org/povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions/16712/


> Pov 4 will be a major rewrite of Pov (one of the main reasons for this is to
> allow, iirc, the code to be brought under one of the GPL licences, which is
> impossible with the current code).

Not necessarily the GPL. Quoting from that status report:

> First, we have been discussing using a new license for 4.  Various
> open-source licenses are under consideration.  We might instead use an
> updated version of POVLEGAL.  No conclusions have been reached so far, but
> the topic is under discussion within the POV-Team. 


> There will be an update to 3.5 soon (iirc) - a bugfix release.

Yes.

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"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote in message

> In the case of Poser 5, it was even worse than that. From what I gathered,
> they were desperate for cash, if only to keep the employees on the
payroll,
> so the product was rushed out the door. Since then, they've been through
> reorganisation and I just received an announcement about them having a new
> parent company for a new one, the 4th in 7 years : after Fractal Design,
> Metacreations and Egisys it's now E-frontier, a Japanese company that
makes
> a famous (in Japan)3D app called Shade.
>
CHeck the poser group on Renderosity, Curious labs has seen fit to post a
bit there through one of their people.  Not horribly informative, and
there's been a thread the last day or so, SR-4 (Yet another box of bandaids)
is coming out in the first part of next year.  I'm not holding my breath
waiting.

Had to laugh though, I posted a Povray pic there, got comments, very
favorable on the shapes, (primitives, nothing else) and textures (From
stones.inc)  lighting, (one area light).  Had Blobgirl giving a salute.  No
more comments after I revealed it as not a poser picture.  Reference to your
site, however.  Nice stuff Giles.

Greybeard.

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