Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

> So you have said. But you missed that little word that every good boy
> uses. "Please!"
> Now is that so hard? :P

(Scratching his beard in perplexity...)
Is what so hard?

What broke _now_?
And whose fault is it?

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On 31/12/2017 22:59, clipka wrote:
> Am 31.12.2017 um 20:05 schrieb Stephen:
> 
>>> "I demand proper [damage] reports, dammit!"
>>>
>>
>> So you have said. But you missed that little word that every good boy
>> uses. "Please!"
>> Now is that so hard? :P
> 
> "I demand you do as I please me, dammit!"
> 
> That better? ;)
> 

Yes, much better.

NURSE!

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Regards
     Stephen

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>
> Not really useful, at least not in its current development stage - no
> zoom view and therefore no chance to exactly place the cursor. Perhaps
> it is because I used Windows 7 rather than XP, I don't know...
>
> The fine editor (the second program) is not even downloadable at all!
>
> Nevertheless, thanks for your tip!
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar

I don't know why it didn't download for you. I just downloaded it.
Must been the free web site's problem.
Yea, No Zoom, But you can use the arrow Keys to position the mouse where needed.
I did say as a last resort. Those programs are old and they where really made
for small height fields.
Hope you find what ya need.
Have Fun1

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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 27.12.2017 um 21:52 schrieb Leroy:
>
> > As a last resort:
> > I have 3 programs at my site that helps make height fields and place objects on
> > them. They where All wrote for my old Win98, but they run on my new WinXP.
>
> "new WinXP"???
>
> Ouch.
I seriously thought about putting the 'new' in quotes. I know I have a problem
with updating to newer versions of windows. Its not only the cost. Nor the time
and effort getting everything back to usable. Its a mater of philosophy, I'm a
carpenter by trade and I have tools that have lasted me for 30 years or more.
Maybe I'm just getting old. My first 'computer' was commodore Vic20, then the
64, and finally the IBM desk top with Win3.1 on it. That IBM I upgraded over the
years until I have an all new computer! Charley, the owner of the store(Software
Center) where I got the computer and bought my upgrades slip Win98 on it.
 I guess what I'm try to say is that I'm not afraid of change. But I can't see
upgrading an operating system every year, or two, or three.

Sorry for the rant, Have Fun!

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"Leroy" <whe### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I know I have a problem
> with updating to newer versions of windows. Its not only the cost.

I can't ever remember when i actually paid for a copy of the OS, unless it was
part of the cost of the bundle with the brand new computer itself.

> Nor the time
> and effort getting everything back to usable.

Yeah - 'cause those software developer guys have to changing everything to make
it "better"   :D


> Maybe I'm just getting old.

Pfft.  Don't know what you're talking about.   NOBODY here is old.
Probably just forgot to take your medication this morning.   Or up the dose.
;)

> My first 'computer' was commodore Vic20, then the
> 64, and finally the IBM desk top with Win3.1 on it. That IBM I upgraded over the
> years until I have an all new computer!

I started with a Timex Sinclair 1000, then I got a VIC-20 (which I loved), sold
that and got an Atari 800 XL, and then it wasn't until years later that I got an
HP desktop.  My first upgrade was to an impossibly huge 640 MB HDD  :D   "You'll
NEVER fill that!"

> But I can't see
> upgrading an operating system every year, or two, or three.

Indeed.  Especially since sometimes the new one really really sucks.

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Am 02.01.2018 um 02:56 schrieb Bald Eagle:

> I started with a Timex Sinclair 1000, then I got a VIC-20 (which I loved), sold
> that and got an Atari 800 XL, and then it wasn't until years later that I got an
> HP desktop.  My first upgrade was to an impossibly huge 640 MB HDD  :D   "You'll
> NEVER fill that!"

640 MB? That's RIDICULOUSLY large!

The first PC I got my hands on had a hard drive so mind-bogglingly large
that the OS couldn't manage it as a single partition: 40 MB!

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On 02/01/2018 05:04, clipka wrote:
> Am 02.01.2018 um 02:56 schrieb Bald Eagle:
> 
>> I started with a Timex Sinclair 1000, then I got a VIC-20 (which I loved), sold
>> that and got an Atari 800 XL, and then it wasn't until years later that I got an
>> HP desktop.  My first upgrade was to an impossibly huge 640 MB HDD  :D   "You'll
>> NEVER fill that!"
> 
> 640 MB? That's RIDICULOUSLY large!
> 

640 MB HDD! Luxury.


> The first PC I got my hands on had a hard drive so mind-bogglingly large
> that the OS couldn't manage it as a single partition: 40 MB!
> 

The first PC I bought was an Amstrad PC1512. Two floppy drives and 512 
Meg of RAM, no HDD. (That taught me a lesson. ;) )


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Regards
     Stephen

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On 2-1-2018 8:12, Stephen wrote:
> On 02/01/2018 05:04, clipka wrote:
>> Am 02.01.2018 um 02:56 schrieb Bald Eagle:
>>
>>> I started with a Timex Sinclair 1000, then I got a VIC-20 (which I 
>>> loved), sold
>>> that and got an Atari 800 XL, and then it wasn't until years later 
>>> that I got an
>>> HP desktop.  My first upgrade was to an impossibly huge 640 MB HDD  
>>> :D   "You'll
>>> NEVER fill that!"
>>
>> 640 MB? That's RIDICULOUSLY large!
>>
> 
> 640 MB HDD! Luxury.
> 
> 
>> The first PC I got my hands on had a hard drive so mind-bogglingly large
>> that the OS couldn't manage it as a single partition: 40 MB!
>>
> 
> The first PC I bought was an Amstrad PC1512. Two floppy drives and 512 
> Meg of RAM, no HDD. (That taught me a lesson. ;) )
>

Same here, with an Amiga 1000, which officially came with 256 Meg and 
you had to (literally) screw in an additional 256.

-- 
Thomas

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On 01/02/2018 12:04 AM, clipka wrote:

> 
> The first PC I got my hands on had a hard drive so mind-bogglingly large
> that the OS couldn't manage it as a single partition: 40 MB!
> 

I had a PDP-8s (and a PDP-8e).  The 's' was a full 8 foot rack and had 
4KB of core memory.  It had a 16KB hard disk; a 10" platter 1/2" thick 
with 4 fixed heads. You could select which head and which quadrant of 
disk for 1KB resolution!  The downstairs neighbors used to bang on the 
ceiling with a broom when I turned it on because it trashed over-the-air TV.

-- 
dik
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Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

> The first PC I bought was an Amstrad PC1512. Two floppy drives and 512
> Meg of RAM, no HDD. (That taught me a lesson. ;) )

Yeah, I think I had a cassette recorder for the VIC-20, and then I just used the
Atari as-is for a while until I finally got the funds-availability to get the
floppy drive.  Which had to be connected and ON when you booted the computer, or
it wouldn't recognize it.   :(  THAT taught me a different lesson.

And then of course when you HAVE a HDD and don't back it up, and it crashes -
that teaches you another lesson entirely.

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