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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 30 Apr 2009 13:19:10
Message: <49f9dd8e$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:46:03 -0400, Jim Charter wrote:

> David Buck wrote:
> 
>> I'm feeling more and more that there's an interesting story to be told
>> about DKBTrace/POVRay that I'm the only person in a position to tell.
>> Others can talk about POVRay and what it does but I'm the only one who
>> knows where the ideas came from and how it all came to be.  M
> 
> I have always been curious about this story.

Same here. :-)

Jim


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 1 May 2009 02:37:51
Message: <49fa98bf$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht 
news:49f77936$1@news.povray.org...
>
> I have always been curious about this story.

Yes indeed!

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 3 May 2009 07:45:00
Message: <web.49fd82d79a84d14ac5e090360@news.povray.org>
David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> I'm feeling more and more that there's an interesting story to be told
> about DKBTrace/POVRay that I'm the only person in a position to tell.
> Others can talk about POVRay and what it does but I'm the only one who
> knows where the ideas came from and how it all came to be.  My wife is
> encouraging me to pursue the idea.  I think I'll do some basic research
> and see if it makes sense to propose it to a publisher.

Just in case the feedback from conventional publishers would be lousy, how about
going for Print On Demand?


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From: David Buck
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 3 May 2009 10:49:42
Message: <49fdaf06@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
>> I'm feeling more and more that there's an interesting story to be told
>> about DKBTrace/POVRay that I'm the only person in a position to tell.
>> Others can talk about POVRay and what it does but I'm the only one who
>> knows where the ideas came from and how it all came to be.  My wife is
>> encouraging me to pursue the idea.  I think I'll do some basic research
>> and see if it makes sense to propose it to a publisher.
> 
> Just in case the feedback from conventional publishers would be lousy, how about
> going for Print On Demand?
> 

Print on Demand is always an option but you do need to anticipate lower 
sales and much more work on marketing.  It's a definite option, though.

David


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 3 May 2009 13:02:25
Message: <49fdce21$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 07:41:11 -0400, clipka wrote:

> David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
>> I'm feeling more and more that there's an interesting story to be told
>> about DKBTrace/POVRay that I'm the only person in a position to tell.
>> Others can talk about POVRay and what it does but I'm the only one who
>> knows where the ideas came from and how it all came to be.  My wife is
>> encouraging me to pursue the idea.  I think I'll do some basic research
>> and see if it makes sense to propose it to a publisher.
> 
> Just in case the feedback from conventional publishers would be lousy,
> how about going for Print On Demand?

Or an e-book, I have some friends who have self-published an e-book for a 
niche market, and while there is a risk of piracy, enough were willing to 
pay for it that they did very well.

One friend wrote a book about a little-used firewall/proxy solution and 
priced it at $29.95.  He sold about 1,000 copies of it - not a lot in the 
world of publishing (not enough for any serious publisher to pick it up), 
but he made > $30K for it, minus the price of a copy of Framemaker, which 
I recall is what he published it with.

Conversely, the first book I did, we sold about 7,000 copies and I made 
about $1.50/copy - not quite enough to pay back the advance I received.

Jim


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 27 May 2009 04:30:20
Message: <4a1cfa1c@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> Conversely, the first book I did, we sold about 7,000 copies and I made 
> about $1.50/copy - not quite enough to pay back the advance I received.

Indeed - the book publishing industry really isn't very profitable for the
majority of authors. I recall reading the "Advice to Authors, by Anonymae"
article in RTN many years ago, and suspect that many of the things in it are
still true today.

  http://tog.acm.org/resources/RTNews/html/rtnv9n2.html#art2

Also, the attitude of some publishers towards what they get when a contract is
signed has to be taken into consideration: see for example the Mathworld story
at http://www.ericweisstein.com/authors-rights/erics_commentary.html.

-- Chris


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: DKBTrace/POVRay book idea
Date: 27 May 2009 04:30:27
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David Buck wrote:
> I'm feeling more and more that there's an interesting story to be told 
> about DKBTrace/POVRay that I'm the only person in a position to tell. 
> Others can talk about POVRay and what it does but I'm the only one who 
> knows where the ideas came from and how it all came to be.  My wife is 
> encouraging me to pursue the idea.  I think I'll do some basic research 
> and see if it makes sense to propose it to a publisher.

It would be an interesting thing to read, especially getting into the technical
areas. But I don't know if a traditional publisher would be convinced of the
potential. I would suggest perhaps using one of the print-on-demand services
that allow books to be ordered via the internet (e.g. the POV-Ray website could
link to or sell them).

Probably I ought to make the docs available that way someday too; I personally
(having grown up in the pre-personal computer era) prefer tutorial-type
documentation in dead tree format, and in fact one of the first things I did
when learning POV-Ray back in the 1.0 days was print out the entire manual. (I
can remember this because I only a few weeks back did a garage clean-out and
came across the original printout I did about 15 years ago!)

I also would be keen to see a new beginners-type book on POV-Ray, however that's
 a fair chunk of work, though it's possible it could be based on one of the
existing (old) ones as a starting point; I think Eduard's one is probably the
more recent, and I seem to recall he did get the copyright back.

-- Chris


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