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Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoo povrayorg> wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> > The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> > saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details on
> > what happened to it?
>
> Had a gold-selling spammer and rather than deal with a take-down put-up
> take-down blah blah cycle I just took it offline since he'd been the only
> contributor for maybe two months. Nothing's been removed, it's all still in the
> DB, and it will come back online eventually.
>
> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring changes
> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper usage of
> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst you)
> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
>
> -- Chris
I can start going more frequently, but it will likely be 2-3 times per week for
me until after the 12th, when I finish my finals.
Is there an even medium? Perhaps having it up but placing a temporarily
restriction on public registration or delaying edits by newly registered users?
I am not familiar with the wiki software and what types of controls it has for
vandalism prevention. As much as I find blocking it distasteful, I would
rather see it up and not editable (temporarily) than down entirely.
-Reactor
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:49346fd3$1@news.povray.org...
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> Do I need to advertise it more somehow? Seriously, I thought you all
> knew... :o/
>
> Anyways, please join in, *everyone* here is very welcome, and I'd feel
> real humbled and Christmassy if you did.
>
Hear! Hear!
Come on in People!! There is room for e-ve-ry-bo-dy!! We want your images!!!
:-)
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot escreveu:
> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:49346fd3$1@news.povray.org...
>> Do I need to advertise it more somehow? Seriously, I thought you all
>> knew... :o/
>>
>> Anyways, please join in, *everyone* here is very welcome, and I'd feel
>> real humbled and Christmassy if you did.
>>
> Hear! Hear!
>
> Come on in People!! There is room for e-ve-ry-bo-dy!! We want your images!!!
That's what I'm talking about! :)
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"Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
message news:49349f45$1@news.povray.org...
> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> changes
> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper usage
> of
> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
> you)
> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
Jim
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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
news:4934afa2@news.povray.org...
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> When you get the wiki back up, remind me to add Special:Recent_changes to
>> my RSS reader :)
>
> ...why do I keep getting into new trouble >.<
haha .... sometimes I feel like a trouble magnet too!
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:36:51 +1100, Chris Cason wrote:
> Had a gold-selling spammer and rather than deal with a take-down put-up
> take-down blah blah cycle I just took it offline since he'd been the
> only contributor for maybe two months. Nothing's been removed, it's all
> still in the DB, and it will come back online eventually.
>
> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> changes (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce
> proper usage of the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least
> once a day amongst you) then I'll put it back online more or less
> immediately.
Ugh, and Chris, I have to apologise for dropping out the way I did - I
should've contacted you and let you know what was up. I've had time to
run through the groups as part of my normal NNTP runs, but I hadn't had
time for the wiki with changes in my responsibilities at work - life just
got in the way. There's nothing like having to learn an entire new job
to throw things completely out of whack.
Really kinda feeling like I let the side down....
I'm *hoping* things will settle down in the next couple of months and
give me time in the evenings again.
Jim
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stbenge wrote:
> Jim Holsenback wrote:
>
>> and he decided to take it offline for a while, as there was no new
>> real POV contributions being added ....
>
>
> Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
> (publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
> own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
> the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
> was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
> wiki... maybe.
>
> Sam
What you say makes some sense, that a group is composed of individuals
so you can't build the momentum of a collaborative group without the
contributions of individuals, and so ultimately it comes down to the
decision of each individual to contribute or not.
I remember I thought the wiki idea had some exciting potential. For me
it stemmed from the sense of flexibility and scalability. The promise,
it seemed to me, was there would be a readymade place to build, say, a
tutorial, or have a conversation around some technique, that would make
it easy to do, similar to how blogging servers make things easy.
I know what discouraged me early on was the unfortunate security issues
and apparent vandalisation. It led to the feeling that work put into a
tutorial, say, could be vandalised. I know that techical people around
here did a good job of nipping the problem but it sent a chill.
Now of course I would also be fighting time constraints along with the
realization that my own work, technically, has fallen even father behind
the leading edge of what is going on here. But I still love the idea of
metaphorically speaking, being able to walk into a room with a
chalkboard available, and have a converation with a you or a Thomas De
Groot, or Steve Piaget, and be able to quickly illustrate what we mean
as easily as if drawing on a slate.
Also I think it might prove worthwhile to try and analyze what the
newsgroup format offers that has given it such lasting success here.
-Jim
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
news:49359573$1@news.povray.org...
> What you say makes some sense, that a group is composed of individuals so
> you can't build the momentum of a collaborative group without the
> contributions of individuals, and so ultimately it comes down to the
> decision of each individual to contribute or not.
>
> I remember I thought the wiki idea had some exciting potential. For me it
> stemmed from the sense of flexibility and scalability. The promise, it
> seemed to me, was there would be a readymade place to build, say, a
> tutorial, or have a conversation around some technique, that would make it
> easy to do, similar to how blogging servers make things easy.
>
> I know what discouraged me early on was the unfortunate security issues
> and apparent vandalisation. It led to the feeling that work put into a
> tutorial, say, could be vandalised. I know that techical people around
> here did a good job of nipping the problem but it sent a chill.
>
> Now of course I would also be fighting time constraints along with the
> realization that my own work, technically, has fallen even father behind
> the leading edge of what is going on here. But I still love the idea of
> metaphorically speaking, being able to walk into a room with a chalkboard
> available, and have a converation with a you or a Thomas De Groot, or
> Steve Piaget, and be able to quickly illustrate what we mean as easily as
> if drawing on a slate.
>
> Also I think it might prove worthwhile to try and analyze what the
> newsgroup format offers that has given it such lasting success here.
>
To start with your last comment, I believe that the lasting success is
certainly due to the unrelenting dedication to the povray matter of each and
every individual posting on these newsgroups. That is not as obvious as it
seems apparently, many newsgroups sooner or later degrade into uninteresting
blah blah. We do not, and surprisingly, all newcomers take over the
unofficial standards that have been set or have grown over the years.
Another point of success certainly is also the fast, friendly, and expert
responses people are getting to their questions. For all those years I am
visiting these newsgroups, I am still always deeply impressed by all those
high standard contributions given freely and in good humour. Let me make use
of the opportunity to suggest a big applause to all of you, and especially
to those who always know the answer to the whole range of simple to
difficult matters. I won't cite names here as I am afraid to forget too many
of you, but you all can fill in a long list of Masters and especially
Teachers.
On a more technical level (of which I know much less about) these newsgroups
apparently are not too much troubled by outside enemical influences. That is
excellent. I don't know why that is, or how (some filtering? good
monitoring?) I am rather a lay person about that. However, the fact that the
wiki is more exposed to the outside and has to be protected forcibly is a
sad development which does not make its use easier. So, I suppose that
people are going mainly to the newsgroups for their information, even if
that means that older information is more difficult to find again, which
results sometimes in re-inventing the wheel several times in a number of
cases. Still, the wiki idea is excellent and should be propagated further. I
confess that I often forget to have a look at its pages.
Thomas
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stbenge <THI### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Jim Holsenback wrote:
> > and he decided to take it offline for a
> > while, as there was no new real POV contributions being added ....
>
> Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
> (publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
> own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
> the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
> was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
> wiki... maybe.
>
> Sam
I have already written several POV tutorials I'd like to transfer to the wiki.
http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guides:Assembling_Sprites
http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guides:Dithering
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legobap.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legochrom.htm
-Mike
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:4935070a@news.povray.org...
>
> "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> message news:49349f45$1@news.povray.org...
>> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
>> changes
>> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper
>> usage of
>> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
>> you)
>> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
>
> Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
>
> Jim
Hi Chris,
If Nicolas is prepared to keep tabs on an RSS feed and Jim is ok with doing
a manual daily check, then what do you need us to commit to in terms of
'enforcing proper usage' to get the Wiki back up?
Regards,
Chris B.
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