"pan" <pan### [at] syixcom> wrote in message news:408c86dd@news.povray.org...

> To ascribe one person's view of what is 'proper' to some
> general definition is not logical or rational.

No one has tried to ascribe one person's view of what is proper to some
general definition or to state that one person's capacity for understanding
negates their ability to comprehend irrationality, with the exception of
you.  Your argument is therefore self-contradictory and you shouldn't expect
that I will respond to it in the future.

The reasons for IMBJR's ban have been clearly stated, yet you seem to have
delusions that IMBJR was banned for reasons other than those for which he
was.  I can only conclude that you are trying to further a personal agenda,
but you won't gain abetment of it from me.

Lance.

thezone - thezone.firewave.com.au
thehandle - www.thehandle.com

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In article <408c86dd@news.povray.org> , "pan" <pan### [at] syixcom> wrote:

> Yes, I agree. But, twhat you term 'common sense' is nothing but
> Chris' version. Let's not deny the truth of that. To ascribe one
> person's view of what is 'proper' to some general definition is
> not logical or rational.
> Some people actually do view  natural sexual content as both
> healthy and beneficial. YMMV.

The POV-Team and TAG are not "Chris Cason", and neither one person alone.
Chris happens to be the owner of this server and as such will act upon
advice from all POV-Team and TAG members as he has the ultimate authority to
do so on his server.  It seems to be pretty clear to everybody else around
here, and Chris made that point crystal clear as well.

Please note that IMBJR explicitly stated that his images were not posted for
discussion and that he was not interested feedback whatsoever.  Further,
most of them were already on his website and posted in these newsgroups for
the sole purpose of destroying the sense of community.  The purpose of
povray.binaries.images is to get feedback about images.  As such, he was
already ignoring the purpose of the group povray.binaries.images, yet we did
not even take formal notice of this behavior, nor was this the reason for
the ban.

This may very well be your opinion.  It should be noted that the images
IMBJR posted were absolutely not as which you describe them.  And this was
not the reason for the ban either!  It is as simple as that he had been
asked not to post a specific image or its variations again due to reasons
outlined by the owner of this server.  He ignored this request, twice.  As
he was a guest on this server, this  behavior was unacceptable and the
reason for the ban.

In conclusion, just as we accept that you have the right to invite as well
as deny access to anybody to your property, we expect that you accept that
we have exactly the same right.  We do not ask you to be happy with it, we
just ask you to accept that you are a guest and behave as a guest.

I am sorry if our attitude causes you to not wish to continue to visit this
server,

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich
e-mail: mac### [at] povrayorg

I am a member of the POV-Ray Team.
Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org

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> In article <408c86dd@news.povray.org> , "pan" <pan### [at] syixcom> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I agree. But, twhat you term 'common sense' is nothing but
> > Chris' version. Let's not deny the truth of that. To ascribe one
> > person's view of what is 'proper' to some general definition is
> > not logical or rational.
> > Some people actually do view  natural sexual content as both
> > healthy and beneficial. YMMV.

No matter how healthy or beneficial something is, there is a time & place
for everything.
Posting images with adult content on a newsgroup that is not specifically
adult themed is inappropriate, and that should be obvious. As obvious as
posting images in a format that the majority of posters were unable to
view, then insisting that the world should get up to speed and get the
'correct' plugin.


"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:
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> Please note that IMBJR explicitly stated that his images were not posted for
> discussion and that he was not interested feedback whatsoever.  Further,
> most of them were already on his website and posted in these newsgroups for
> the sole purpose of destroying the sense of community.  The purpose of
> povray.binaries.images is to get feedback about images.  As such, he was
> already ignoring the purpose of the group povray.binaries.images, yet we did
> not even take formal notice of this behavior, nor was this the reason for
> the ban.

Well, since I quit bothering to view any of his posts after his jpeg2000
binge, I missed all the images in question, yet I approve of the ban, so
obviously content alone was not a factor. This is not a forum for
art/sexuality/religion/philosophy, it is a forum for PovRay. If you aren't
posting for reasons having to do with PovRay, don't post here.

>
> I am sorry if our attitude causes you to not wish to continue to visit this
> server

That would certainly seem irrational & extreme to me.  I commend the admins
for removing such a disruption.

RG

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> 
> Please note that IMBJR explicitly stated that his images were not posted for
> discussion and that he was not interested feedback whatsoever.  Further,
> most of them were already on his website and posted in these newsgroups for
> the sole purpose of destroying the sense of community.  The purpose of
> povray.binaries.images is to get feedback about images.  As such, he was
> already ignoring the purpose of the group povray.binaries.images, yet we did
> not even take formal notice of this behavior, nor was this the reason for
> the ban.
> 

His actions were entirely exploitive, I agree.  His banishmesnt is 
entirely fair, reasonable, and justified.  Anyone who finds personal 
vindication in his fate, however, has my personal disapproval.

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He joined the club...

He came in...

He peed on the sofa...

He punched the manager in the face...

Now why would they ban a fellow like that?

P.S. Please dont interpret this as literal, its a figurative example.

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"Felbrigg" <som### [at] microsoftcom> wrote in message
news:408d34dd@news.povray.org...
> He joined the club...

    ...some time ago now. He came here around two/three years ago and
he posted what I thought were *really* good images AFAICR. I can only
say that between then and recently, he changed attitude.

   ~Steve~

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> "Felbrigg" <som### [at] microsoftcom> wrote in message
> news:408d34dd@news.povray.org...
> 
>>He joined the club...
> 
> 
>     ...some time ago now. He came here around two/three years ago and
> he posted what I thought were *really* good images AFAICR. I can only
> say that between then and recently, he changed attitude.

Not really.  Even then, he basically said that he didn't care about feedback 
from his pics and that he viewed the news.povray.org server as a kind of free 
gallery where he could dump his stuff.

He did have a few interesting images.


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pan <pan### [at] syixcom> wrote:
> The banning was done on the basis of content alone.
> You surely are not going to deny that are you?

  What else can you ban a person for if not the content of what he posts?

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"Francois Labreque" <fla### [at] videotronca> wrote in message
news:408d505d$1@news.povray.org...
> Program ended abnormally on 26/04/2004 13:41, Due to a catastrophic
St. error:
>
> > "Felbrigg" <som### [at] microsoftcom> wrote in message
> > news:408d34dd@news.povray.org...
> >
> >>He joined the club...
> >
> >
> >     ...some time ago now. He came here around two/three years ago
and
> > he posted what I thought were *really* good images AFAICR. I can
only
> > say that between then and recently, he changed attitude.
>
> Not really.  Even then, he basically said that he didn't care about
feedback
> from his pics and that he viewed the news.povray.org server as a
kind of free
> gallery where he could dump his stuff.

> He did have a few interesting images.

 I agree, but "changed attitude" with what he was 'trying to depict'
in his images is what I meant, in respect of the images he was posting
then, and recently. (Yes, he still did the Dobbs thing back then, and
some of those were good, but then he also produced what I would call
'similar' images to a lot of others here, and some were really good -
that's the part that I liked about him).

  Let it be known that I'm not defending him in any way. In the end, I
too think that he was "looking for it" for want of better words, <and
obvious, for whatever reasons they were>, but I'm with another here,
no-one should vindicate and it should be laid to rest 'now'.

   ~Steve~



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> > He joined the club...
> 
>     ...some time ago now. He came here around two/three years ago and
> he posted what I thought were *really* good images AFAICR. I can only
> say that between then and recently, he changed attitude.

I remembered him from last time, and what happened last time is that he 
turned up and flooded p.b.i with lots of relatively large posts.  People 
on modems objected.  He more or less said "tough". He sort of hung 
around for a while, then bimbled off elsewhere.

My recollection may be a bit hazy though he showed a similar disregard 
for the norms of the server then as he did this time.



Jamie.

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