"Philippe Debar" <phd### [at] wanadoobe> wrote in message
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> Bruce Duncan wrote:
>
> > A suggestion in the mean time would be to minimize POV to the
system tray.
> > And the buttons (Pause and Min to Systray) are quite conveniently
next to
> > each other.
>
> That does not help when you pause Pov to work with it.. (e.g. tweak
a
> scene and add it to the queue).


   You use queues??   I've never used that.  :(

  Anyway, I don't mind the 'blinking' icon... Keeps me awake... yawn 

  That, and it makes a good visual metronome too...  ;)

      ~Steve~


>
>
> Povingly,
>
>
> Philippe
>
>

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I expected a:

"Yeah, we'll pass this suggestion for the next release. It's a good idea to
add an option to turn it off, as it mustn't be hard at all to do it."
or
"Even though it is a minor thing, we thank you for your input and we will
add it to the list of suggestions".

I said it was annoying, not that I was getting freaked out by it. A blinking
thing in the taskbar is a sign that usually means "I need immediate user
intervention"
That's why I posted it as a suggestion, not as an urgent fix.

I'm truly sorry if I overreacted, but I interpreted the "So, hide the
taskbar and you won't have to see it." as a "This is not a valid suggestion
because I don't find it annoying. Find yourself a way to fix it."

Fernando.




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> In article <3e23b6a7$1@news.povray.org> , "Fernando Gonzalez del Cueto"
> <fgd### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>
> > If the taskbar were utterly unnecessary I would have already hid it...
> >
> > I was only trying to give my point of view... which could make this
great
> > program a bit better.
> >
> > Next time I'll just shut my mouth up... no suggestions are welcomed
here.
>
> Well, you said it is annoying so people suggested ways how to turn it off
> for now.  I don't see why you conclude "no suggestions are welcomed here"
> from people trying help you work around the problem.
>
> After all, you cannot expect somebody immediately going to release a new
> version of POV-Ray just to offer you an option to turn this off...
>
>     Thorsten
>

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Fernando Gonzalez del Cueto wrote:

> I'm truly sorry if I overreacted, but I interpreted the "So, hide the
> taskbar and you won't have to see it." as a "This is not a valid suggestion
> because I don't find it annoying. Find yourself a way to fix it."

Actually it is a simply matter of priority.  POV-Ray version 3.5 went through
extensive alpha,  pre-beta  and  public beta testing periods lasting nearly a
year and has been released to the general public for almost 3 months now.  In
all  that time  not a single  person has expressed  dissatisfaction  with the
behavior you described. The Windows developer of POV-Ray is also the POV-Team
Coordinator.  He has spent countless hours on the design and operation of the
Windows  version  of POV-Ray  and intellegent design and usability are always
a  primary concern of his.  But he must also  balance the  needs of the  many
against the needs of the vocal few. Were there a majority of POV-Raya Windows
users  complaining about  the blinking task  bar button I am sure Chris would
prioritize and take action to correct it. Since only one person has registered
dissatisfaction  with  that  behavior  the chance  of elevating that to a high
priority program change is virtually  zero. There are  simply  too  many other
action items that take precedence at this time. Knowing  all of  this before I
replied,  I thought it best to simply offer a viable alternative,  rather than
having to go through a detailed explanation of why you are not likely to see a
change anytime soon, if ever. I apologize if my reply came off unsympathetic to
your cause but  I only have so much time to spend in these groups each day and
sometimes it is necessary to post a short reply, rather than a lengthy one such
as this,  to aid those  in need of my assistance.  At least I took the  time to
think of an alternative for you rather than just saying "Sorry, no way!" and for
that I think you should be grateful.


-- 
Ken Tyler - POV-Ray Technical Assistance Group Member

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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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>
> all  that time  not a single  person has expressed  dissatisfaction  with
the
> behavior you described.

I do hide my taskbar. I set it that way every time I've installed Windows.
In doing so I've forgotten I had a render paused after needing to get
another task done which POV-Ray can seriously slow down, esp. if on High
Render Priority. Even with all the patience necessary for raytracing,
dropping behind only 10 minutes can seem to be long a delay in getting a
rendering done.

I almost suspended my computer (Sleep) a few months ago when I had POV
minimized and hidden away and I still remember that because I'd have lost
the time it was meant to be working on a render. If only I applied more
effort to setting renders going a lot more in the first place maybe that
wouldn't have made me paranoid about forgetting one.

Anyway, the blinking Pause button and taskbar box hasn't caused me to think
it should be possible to switch it off. And I think you can get my point
here about why it would be even worse, for me at least, to mistakenly let it
pause forever or suspend the computer accidentally. Even so, I can imagine
this suggestion might be a little worthwhile if the "off" condition meant
the window and taskbar box changed to a obvious yet non-blinking color;
better yet a pattern, since color settings of Windows could potentially be
the same as the alerting one, but then a pattern probably isn't feasible.
Not sure about that.

Easy to understand though why most people probably like that POV-Ray blinks
a signal to them if they have done thing like me.

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Thanks for your lengthy and polite response Ken, and I apologize again for
my overreaction...

However, Slime also agreed that it is annoying. We're 2 now :)

Actually I don't pause POV-Ray that often, but when I do, I usually prefer
to abort the render because the blink is TOO distracting. That's why I
thought about investing some of my time in giving this suggestion for a
future version.

My apologies again,

Fernando

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I've never liked it either, for what it's worth, but I've learned to live
with it.

--
Anthony Bennett

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> I've never liked it either, for what it's worth, but I've learned to live
> with it.

That's three! We have three!

 - Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

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Count me in, too. Some switch would be useful.

But I guess if we keep counting, some might get pissed... :-)

--
Tim Nikias
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
Email: Tim### [at] gmxde

>
> That's three! We have three!
>
>  - Slime

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"Tim Nikias" <tim### [at] gmxde> wrote in news:3e25bc6d@news.povray.org:

> Count me in, too. Some switch would be useful.
> 

On a related issue, if the system tray menu could have pause and resume 
added to it that would be nice.

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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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> Actually it is a simply matter of priority.  POV-Ray version 3.5 went
through
> extensive alpha,  pre-beta  and  public beta testing periods lasting
nearly a
> year and has been released to the general public for almost 3 months now.
In
> all  that time  not a single  person has expressed  dissatisfaction  with
the
> behavior you described.

Actually, I did. But it was in p.o-t, so...


Povingly,


Philippe

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(In Win2k)



It's funny, but sometimes IE seems unable to start rendering a webpage while
pov is rendering. A simple pause-unpause usually solve the problem for the
page being...



BTW, is there any way to stop Pov from flashing so annoyingly while in pause
(in the taskbar and in the main pov windows - heck, the menus are even
grayed out, as if they were disabled, which they aren't) ?





Philippe
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