For some reason I have the impression that the text "Only 3 unit(s) left!
This item will sell out soon." is just a lie to try to sell more.

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>   For some reason I have the impression that the text "Only 3 unit(s)
left!
> This item will sell out soon." is just a lie to try to sell more.

if you look around the whole site only have around 50 cd's :)


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David Fontaine wrote:
> 
> I also submitted a review, but I don't trust Overstock.com (whoever the
> hell they are) either.  Looking at the side frame, there's a whole host
> of Wingear shit for sale.

Disclaimer: *I am not a lawyer*

If they post the reviews at all, it would probably be on Monday, which
is tomorrow when their employees would come back from the weekend.  I
wonder if they would post such negative reviews of their actions.  If
they show up, the posting might be automatic.

Povlegal says that a 600 meg cd with pov on it must cost no more that
$48.00 or eight cents per meg.  Maybe they raised the price by just
compressing some stuff before burning or pressing it onto the cd and
used the uncompressed file sizes to figure the price.  I wonder where
they got that $99.50 retail price.  Maybe they figured it from the
uncompressed size and reduced it to make it look like a good deal when
it is not since povray is free.  Povray just can't fill a cd.  The links
to the "texture libraries and 3d models" would have to be numerous. 
Maybe they added a modeler to fill up space.  The only way to tell is to
get one of these cd, or better yet, ask someone who did since it's not a
good idea to support them.

It is possible that they are software pirates?

Brendan

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"Ed Brannin" <bra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote...
> http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=15121&fp=T
>
> "3D Render Studio 2000 has the tools to put photorealistic 3-D rendering
> within your reach!

> This is obviously a license violation.  Ironically, the price at Overstock
> (with its "Best price guarantee") is the highest one I was able to find -
> most other sites list it for $10-15.

> Anyone know how to reach this "WinGear"?  I don't know how much the
POV-Team
> goes after violators, but here's the info for them if they feel like
talking
> to this one.

As Thorsten pointed out, we've had trouble locating WinGear.  Also note that
this CD includes a SHAREWARE version of Moray!  I would suspect that the
texture and model libraries were also downloaded off the net for free.

-Nathan

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Thanks for the report.

As Thorsten pointed out, we are aware of this situation. I in fact even
have a copy of the very CD here in my bookshelf, having swapped it for a
copy of the IRTC CDROM with a chap who reported it to me earlier this year.

We have been unable to find Wingear. I have a strong suspicion that they
don't want to be found ...

Insofar as the selling price is concerned, based on the fact that I have
seen the CD on sale for as little as US$5.50 with some online vendors, I
came to the conclusion that the wholesale price (i.e. what Wingear gets)
is probably just barely within POVLEGAL's cents/megabyte limit (and could
be the reason that they dumped the textures on the CD as well; to make it
a bit bigger).

This means that under the existing povlegal, we can't go after Wingear
themselves; we'd have to chase the individual vendors (and it's even
doubtful if we could do that - I'd have to check the language and see if
it applies to a reseller).

Apart from Moray, I also notice that they have an unattributed partial copy
of Ken's Links List (as taken from www.povray.org/links) on the CD, edited
to remove the povray banner and any reference to our website.

Needless to say, we have made a significant change to POVLEGAL to outlaw
what they have done, and to explicitly include resellers in the rules.

-- Chris

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>
> Apart from Moray, I also notice that they have an unattributed partial
copy
> of Ken's Links List (as taken from www.povray.org/links) on the CD, edited
> to remove the povray banner and any reference to our website.

That is a copyright infringement (Ken's copyright), at the very least,
regardless of POV-Ray's specific license issues.

Aren't there any images or sources ?

You could maybe publish a directory listing of the whole content, for
us to check.

Fabien.

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> You could maybe publish a directory listing of the whole content, for
> us to check.

http://www.povray.org/temp/3DRS-Listing.txt

-- Chris

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What is the main difference between this and other "shareware" CD's which
have POV-Ray on it?
I have some old versions on this kind of CD's and also with magazines &
books.

If you make a shareware compilation and distribute this on a CD'R, you can
technically make up a price for it, although you probably should ask the
developer considering copyrights...
Anyway, sounds like a ripoff and needs to be tackled.

I have my legal version from povray.org :-)

 --- stefkeB ---

"Chris Cason" <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote in message
news:3b77e12d@news.povray.org...
> > You could maybe publish a directory listing of the whole content, for
> > us to check.
>
> http://www.povray.org/temp/3DRS-Listing.txt
>
> -- Chris
>
>

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Co-incidentally, I just received an email from a user who purchased this CD
from a seller called 'cyberspy.tv' on ebay (who seems to have a habit of
selling this sort of thing). Same story; he expected a commercial product
and was surprised to find out he'd 'purchased' (for $7.99) a free program.

Sigh.

-- Chris

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stefkeB wrote:
> 
> What is the main difference between this and other "shareware" CD's which
> have POV-Ray on it?

This one pretends the product is commercial, and of professionnal
quality (read Warp's message in above thread "History of POV-Ray"
for why POV-Ray is not professional, and not ashamed of that).

Also, the pricing is outrageous, and it is sold by a company that
uses dubious selling methods (as someone noted in this thread,
all items are "almost sold out").

They don't say that POV-Ray is free, and they charge way more than
the limit authorized in the license (the can't be wronged on that,
because they're a reseller). Basically, they've done all they could
to get the maximum amount of money without infringing on the license
(which will be updated accordingly in POV 3.5).

> I have some old versions on this kind of CD's and also with magazines &
> books.

Me too. But they all state clearly that POV is free and the amount
paid only covers CD manufacturing & handling costs. And their low pricing
clearly marks them as "not professional".

> If you make a shareware compilation and distribute this on a CD'R, you can
> technically make up a price for it, although you probably should ask the
> developer considering copyrights...

POV-Ray is much more advanced than that. Read the license
that accompanies the software, it covers what you mention.
To summarize, there's a limit on the price you can charge,
per megabyte of data on the CD.

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