Thanks for the report.

As Thorsten pointed out, we are aware of this situation. I in fact even
have a copy of the very CD here in my bookshelf, having swapped it for a
copy of the IRTC CDROM with a chap who reported it to me earlier this year.

We have been unable to find Wingear. I have a strong suspicion that they
don't want to be found ...

Insofar as the selling price is concerned, based on the fact that I have
seen the CD on sale for as little as US$5.50 with some online vendors, I
came to the conclusion that the wholesale price (i.e. what Wingear gets)
is probably just barely within POVLEGAL's cents/megabyte limit (and could
be the reason that they dumped the textures on the CD as well; to make it
a bit bigger).

This means that under the existing povlegal, we can't go after Wingear
themselves; we'd have to chase the individual vendors (and it's even
doubtful if we could do that - I'd have to check the language and see if
it applies to a reseller).

Apart from Moray, I also notice that they have an unattributed partial copy
of Ken's Links List (as taken from www.povray.org/links) on the CD, edited
to remove the povray banner and any reference to our website.

Needless to say, we have made a significant change to POVLEGAL to outlaw
what they have done, and to explicitly include resellers in the rules.

-- Chris

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>
> Apart from Moray, I also notice that they have an unattributed partial
copy
> of Ken's Links List (as taken from www.povray.org/links) on the CD, edited
> to remove the povray banner and any reference to our website.

That is a copyright infringement (Ken's copyright), at the very least,
regardless of POV-Ray's specific license issues.

Aren't there any images or sources ?

You could maybe publish a directory listing of the whole content, for
us to check.

Fabien.

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> You could maybe publish a directory listing of the whole content, for
> us to check.

http://www.povray.org/temp/3DRS-Listing.txt

-- Chris

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What is the main difference between this and other "shareware" CD's which
have POV-Ray on it?
I have some old versions on this kind of CD's and also with magazines &
books.

If you make a shareware compilation and distribute this on a CD'R, you can
technically make up a price for it, although you probably should ask the
developer considering copyrights...
Anyway, sounds like a ripoff and needs to be tackled.

I have my legal version from povray.org :-)

 --- stefkeB ---

"Chris Cason" <newsadmin@-despam-povray.org> wrote in message
news:3b77e12d@news.povray.org...
> > You could maybe publish a directory listing of the whole content, for
> > us to check.
>
> http://www.povray.org/temp/3DRS-Listing.txt
>
> -- Chris
>
>

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Co-incidentally, I just received an email from a user who purchased this CD
from a seller called 'cyberspy.tv' on ebay (who seems to have a habit of
selling this sort of thing). Same story; he expected a commercial product
and was surprised to find out he'd 'purchased' (for $7.99) a free program.

Sigh.

-- Chris

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stefkeB wrote:
> 
> What is the main difference between this and other "shareware" CD's which
> have POV-Ray on it?

This one pretends the product is commercial, and of professionnal
quality (read Warp's message in above thread "History of POV-Ray"
for why POV-Ray is not professional, and not ashamed of that).

Also, the pricing is outrageous, and it is sold by a company that
uses dubious selling methods (as someone noted in this thread,
all items are "almost sold out").

They don't say that POV-Ray is free, and they charge way more than
the limit authorized in the license (the can't be wronged on that,
because they're a reseller). Basically, they've done all they could
to get the maximum amount of money without infringing on the license
(which will be updated accordingly in POV 3.5).

> I have some old versions on this kind of CD's and also with magazines &
> books.

Me too. But they all state clearly that POV is free and the amount
paid only covers CD manufacturing & handling costs. And their low pricing
clearly marks them as "not professional".

> If you make a shareware compilation and distribute this on a CD'R, you can
> technically make up a price for it, although you probably should ask the
> developer considering copyrights...

POV-Ray is much more advanced than that. Read the license
that accompanies the software, it covers what you mention.
To summarize, there's a limit on the price you can charge,
per megabyte of data on the CD.

-- 
Adrien Beau - adr### [at] freefr - http://adrien.beau.free.fr
 Mes propos n'engagent que moi et en aucun cas mes employeurs

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Chris Cason wrote:

> Co-incidentally, I just received an email from a user who purchased this CD
> from a seller called 'cyberspy.tv' on ebay (who seems to have a habit of
> selling this sort of thing). Same story; he expected a commercial product
> and was surprised to find out he'd 'purchased' (for $7.99) a free program.
>
> Sigh.
>
> -- Chris

I hope he will file a complaint with ebay about that transaction. Did he say
who the seller was?


--
Josh English
eng### [at] spiritonecom
The POV-Ray Cyclopedia http://www.spiritone.com/~english/cyclopedia/

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Fabien Mosen wrote:
> 
> That is a copyright infringement (Ken's copyright), at the very least,
> regardless of POV-Ray's specific license issues.

Speaking of copyright infringement, I got an email today soliciting me
to pay to have my website submitted to 300,000+ search engines.  Mistake
number one, the subject line was all caps.  Mistake number two, it was
in HTML.  And so on.  It included at the bottom a stupid image map of a
big magnet pulling little people towards my site, with this illegal
image right in the middle of it:

http://image10.trafficmagnet.net/image1671/5/9/img286.jpg

I replied and told them to remove the image, that I don't want their
stupid service, and that I found much of their solicitating email in
poor taste.

-- 
David Fontaine  <dav### [at] faricynet>  ICQ 55354965
My raytracing gallery:  http://davidf.faricy.net/

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What is this?  It is for Moray?

14/02/00   2:57           2,215  OrderForm.txt

Are there different versions of povlegal.doc?  The copy I have here is
21,523 bytes as opposed to the 18,554 bytes for their copy.  Is the file
intact?  Is the manual's reference to the news group and povlegal
intact?

17/10/98   2:00          18,554  povlegal.doc

Brendan

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Chris Cason wrote:
>
> http://www.povray.org/temp/3DRS-Listing.txt

Looks like they took the textures from this site.
http://www.grsites.com/textures/


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Kari Kivisalo

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