The renderer, or the scene language?
Is the language the only thing that is important, or is the renderer 
important too?
1: The language is the only thing that matters.
2: The language is most important, but rendering engine is important too.
3: Both are equally important, POV is the combination of the two.
4: Renderer is most important, but the language is important too.
5: Renderer the only thing that matters.


My choice is 3, neither the spirit of the language or the renderer could 
be removed or drastically changed and still have POV...for example, if 
the renderer was changed to a scan-line engine or if the language became 
like Lisp, or if either of them became platform dependant or the source 
code wasn't released...

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Christopher James Huff
Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
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"Chris Huff" <chr### [at] maccom> wrote in message
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> The renderer, or the scene language?
> Is the language the only thing that is important, or is the renderer
> important too?
> 1: The language is the only thing that matters.
> 2: The language is most important, but rendering engine is important too.
> 3: Both are equally important, POV is the combination of the two.
> 4: Renderer is most important, but the language is important too.
> 5: Renderer the only thing that matters.
>

IMHO 1, in reality 3, in abstract, 5. (IMHO)

>
> My choice is 3, neither the spirit of the language or the renderer could
> be removed or drastically changed and still have POV...for example, if
> the renderer was changed to a scan-line engine or if the language became
> like Lisp, or if either of them became platform dependant or the source
> code wasn't released...
>
> --
> Christopher James Huff
> Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
> TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/
>
> <><

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my choice

>3: Both are equally important, POV is the combination of the two.


but POV is combination of 3: language, renderer and open sources
I think open sources are not part of the renderer
if there is anything to do in 3d raytracing which is not supported
in any 3d raytracer which one raytracer can be extended first
with best distribution between users ?
power of variations ?

ABX

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Chris Huff wrote:

> The renderer, or the scene language?
> Is the language the only thing that is important, or is the renderer
> important too?
> 1: The language is the only thing that matters.

If the nuts who came up with Java also wrote the povray scene language, I'd
still be playing with CorelDraw or might have taken up golf.  For me it is an
intuitive language that is very forgiving to this non-programmer who'd
forgotten a lot of his BASIC and FORTRAN, and who gags on the chapters on
variable declaration syntax every time he picks up a book on a modern
language.

> 2: The language is most important, but rendering engine is important too.

Cool images are cool images.

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> 3: Both are equally important, POV is the combination of the two.

But both could do with some improvement.

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Tony[B] <ben### [at] panamac-comnet> wrote:
: But both could do with some improvement.

  How can you improve perfection?

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Warp wrote in message <3a12b6a3@news.povray.org>...
>Tony[B] <ben### [at] panamac-comnet> wrote:
>: But both could do with some improvement.
>
>  How can you improve perfection?


with a little noise3D(x,y,z) ;-)

ABX

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Exactly. :)

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Chris Huff <chr### [at] maccom> wrote in message
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> The renderer, or the scene language?
> Is the language the only thing that is important, or is the renderer
> important too?
> 1: The language is the only thing that matters.
> 2: The language is most important, but rendering engine is important too.
> 3: Both are equally important, POV is the combination of the two.
> 4: Renderer is most important, but the language is important too.
> 5: Renderer the only thing that matters.

No, it is 6: enormous support by users (macros, tools, websites,
newsservers, etc. etc.).

If POV had the support of Panorama, and Panorama had the support of POV, we
would be talking on the on www.gnu.org area for Panorama....

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I think :
> 3: Both are equally important, POV is the combination of the two.

Seeing POV-Ray as a "rendering engine" leads to the loss of too much
power.  In the French newsgroups, when a newcomer says "hey, I've just
downloaded POV-Ray and Moray..." , I always advice him (girls are rare
there too, sigh..) to try to make a quick tour of "pure" POV before
going to Moray, as, though Moray is fine, you risk to be aware of
only 20% of POV-Ray's abilities.

I'd like to think of POV-Ray as a "system", not just a language or
an engine.

BTW, I really meant 'answer #3', not 2 or 4 ! ;-)
(but your choices were arranged smartly enough to avoid confusion..)

Fabien.

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