"Xplo Eristotle" <inq### [at] unforgettablecom> wrote in message
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> First off, loading someone else's pages in your frameset is a Very Not
> Good Idea. (I believe this has actually been declared illegal..
somewhere.)
>

I don't believe so (illegal) - as for whether it's acceptable, I think as
long as you don't try and hide what you're doing and as long as you offer a
button to break out of frames, I think it's acceptable.


> Second, Frames Suck(TM).
>

Only if you don't offer an alternative - it's got to the stage when you can
almost assume that a user's browser supports frames.

> Third.. what, you can't use the "Back" button, you need a link to take
> you back to the page you were just on? Sheesh... :P

Sometimes it's not so much a case of "Back" as "Flip". Used appropriately,
anything is acceptable.

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:59:19 +0100, Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
>I want to make links, on my web page to other web pages, open in new
>windows. Can any one help with code, links etc.

I hate that, whats the URL, I'll put it in the don't visit section.

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Tom Melly wrote:
> 
> "Xplo Eristotle" <inq### [at] unforgettablecom> wrote in message
> news:39F9E000.6A987CFA@unforgettable.com...
> 
> > Second, Frames Suck(TM).
> 
> Only if you don't offer an alternative - it's got to the stage when you can
> almost assume that a user's browser supports frames.

You can't generally bookmark frame content, only framesets, and
navigation within frames is a joke. Therefore, Frames Still Suck(TM). Next!

> > Third.. what, you can't use the "Back" button, you need a link to take
> > you back to the page you were just on? Sheesh... :P
> 
> Sometimes it's not so much a case of "Back" as "Flip". Used appropriately,
> anything is acceptable.

That begs the question of what constitutes appropriate use, though.
IMNSHO, the setup described would never be appropriate.

If the issue is really one of "flipping", it would make far more sense
in most cases simply to open a separate window. Fetching files from a
cache is fast, but repainting a window is much, much faster.

-Xplo

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"Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote in message
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> I want to make links, on my web page to other web pages, open in new
> windows. Can any one help with code, links etc.

Maybe IFRAME could do okay?  I'm not experienced in it's use though so a
tutorial on it is at:
http://www.hut.fi/u/jkorpela/html/iframe.html

  On a somewhat related note, someone sent me a screen capture of what AOL had
caused to show up in his older AOL software web browser (sorry, I forgot to ask
which MSIE he has).
  It was multiple banners, seemingly one for each html frame page.  After I had
set up to have all web pages accessible through AOL Hometown, something AOL has
to make it more of a community in case you don't know, this happened.  Not seen
wrong in MSIE 5.5 though, works fine.
  AOL isn't all bad I believe.  One standard banner atop each web page and no
popup or other inclusions, and it gets me a total of 82 megs of space.  I'm
very accustomed to paying for this stuff  :-)  Just been a long wait for more
space and improvements in their software, which I honestly have to say might
never be on par with what people want.
  I only use FRAMES with the two "gallery" pages I have and there is a NO
FRAMES version.

Bob

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Ken wrote:
> 
> Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> >
> > I want to make links, on my web page to other web pages, open in new
> > windows. Can any one help with code, links etc.
> 
> I don't know about others but I hate sites that do that.

I think he was referring to the new window happening when the user
clicked on the link, and not the JavaCurse method of opening a new
window when you try to close the old one, or opening a crapload all
at once.

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John
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Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> 
> I want to make links, on my web page to other web pages, open in new
> windows. Can any one help with code, links etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance

The code is <a href="my_url.htm" target="newpage">

I only use this feature when my link goes to a site I don't own, and
even then, not all the time.

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I hadn't realised how much people hate new windows appearing for links. I
rather like it as I don't lose contact with the parent site. however there
is always the back button.

I was intending to do something similar to David Fontaine's virtual gallery.

Given the antipathy to the idea I don't think I'll bother.

Mick


"John VanSickle" <van### [at] erolscom> wrote in message
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> Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> >
> > I want to make links, on my web page to other web pages, open in new
> > windows. Can any one help with code, links etc.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> The code is <a href="my_url.htm" target="newpage">
>
> I only use this feature when my link goes to a site I don't own, and
> even then, not all the time.
>
> --
> ICQ: 46085459

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In article <39fa9d18@news.povray.org>, "Mick Hazelgrove" 
<mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote:

> I hadn't realised how much people hate new windows appearing for 
> links. I rather like it as I don't lose contact with the parent site. 
> however there is always the back button.
> 
> I was intending to do something similar to David Fontaine's virtual 
> gallery.
> 
> Given the antipathy to the idea I don't think I'll bother.

I actually prefer link pages that open other sites in new windows.
One solution would be to offer pairs of links, a "Go to page" and a "New 
window with page" link. Have the URL text be the "go to page" link, and 
a little button following it be the "new window with page" link. 
Compact, and it should please everyone...this is what I plan to do when 
I get around to rebuilding my site.

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"Mick Hazelgrove" <mic### [at] mhazelgrovefsnetcouk> wrote in message
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> I want to make links, on my web page to other web pages, open in new
> windows. Can any one help with code, links etc.

Since nobody else asks:
What does this has to do with Pov-Ray???

/Anders

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> If the issue is really one of "flipping", it would make far more sense
> in most cases simply to open a separate window. Fetching files from a
> cache is fast, but repainting a window is much, much faster.

What was that last point?  "repainting a window is much, much faster"? "Fetching
files from a cache is fast"?  I don't know... one deals with graphics while the
other deals with memory... depends on the computer... 

I would agree with Tom, that when something is used properly, it's
acceptable!... 

Still depends on what you really want, Eficiency? Quality? Complexity? I
dunno... if were talking about efficiency, opening a window is slower than using
this one already open. If we talk about beauty, you can't see the window that is
hidden under this window... if you arrange something so you can see everthing
clearly, frames are perfect for this!  Etc!

That was my opinion.

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