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I'm proposing the following required format for the 10Best Cd
collection.
It can be of any length with any number of include files or what have
you . But it should be one html zipped together with text files and
JPG's per "submission."
Each file should follow the following format for use of included html
code, included longer files, headings, and for reference to JPG's. I'll
make up a web page to explain this in greater detail. But any
objections to this so far?
<html>
<title>How to Make a Sphere
</title>
<META name="Author" content="Greg M. Johnson">
<META name="email" content="gre### [at] aol com">
<META name="keywords" content="sphere,radius,green,pigment">
<blockquote>
<H3>This is how you make a sphere
</h3>
If you want to make a sphere, type in:
<br>
<code>sphere {0,1 pigment {Green}}
</code>
<p>
The image that made this sphere is here:
<br>
<img src="gmjimage01.jpg">
<p>
To see a more detailed example of a complete scene file, see:
<br>
<a href="gregtut02.txt">gregtut02.txt</a>
<p>
To see a larger example of the file made by this file, see:
<a href="gmjimage02.txt">gmjimage02.jpg</a>
</html>
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:52:30 -0400, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
><html>
><title>How to Make a Sphere
></title>
><META name="Author" content="Greg M. Johnson">
><META name="email" content="gre### [at] aolcom">
><META name="keywords" content="sphere,radius,green,pigment">
><blockquote>
Why does a blockquote start here and where does it end?
Also I would suggest that the <head></head> and <body></body> tags be
written even though they are optional.
><H3>This is how you make a sphere
></h3>
Are <h1> and <h2> elements used at some higher level?
>If you want to make a sphere, type in:
><br>
><code>sphere {0,1 pigment {Green}}
></code>
<code> for povray code is good.
><p>
>
Just a nitpick: <p> starts a paragraph. If you write it just before an
empty line it looks like it ends the paragraph before.
>The image that made this sphere is here:
><br>
><img src="gmjimage01.jpg">
The alt tag is missing.
hp
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|_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | sondern an der Einrichtung (aka Content).
| | | hjp### [at] wsracat | -- Ale### [at] univieacat
__/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | zum Thema Portale in at.linux
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:13:32 +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
>>The image that made this sphere is here:
>><br>
>><img src="gmjimage01.jpg">
>
>The alt tag is missing.
As are the width and height tags.
--
Ron Parker http://www2.fwi.com/~parkerr/traces.html
My opinions. Mine. Not anyone else's.
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Wasn't it Greg M. Johnson who wrote:
>I'm proposing the following required format for the 10Best Cd
>collection.
>It can be of any length with any number of include files or what have
>you . But it should be one html zipped together with text files and
>JPG's per "submission."
>Each file should follow the following format for use of included html
>code, included longer files, headings, and for reference to JPG's. I'll
>make up a web page to explain this in greater detail. But any
>objections to this so far?
It looks severely bland. How about providing a pretty cascading style
sheet, and we'll all link to it by putting a link to it, like
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="pretty.css"></head>
and perhaps having a background image or background colour that we'd all
use.
I notice that there's no navigation specified here. Are you planning on
having all the navigation in a separate frame (and remembering that
POVRay runs on some machines that don't have frame-capable browsers) or
are you expecting the users to make extensive use of the BACK button?
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
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1) Yes, perhaps the best answer is a style sheet.
2) Yes, thanks for the reminder that frames are no-no for some users. The
navigation would be added at the end.
3) width, height: What is the consequence of leaving this out? I didn't
mean to forbid it, but what is the NEED?
4) <blockquote> is just my preference for having the page have a margin
and more readable. No harm to anyone, I believe, if you are missing a
</blockquote>
5) <p>Don't take this too literally as to where and when to post these.
6) Yes, alt tags are cool. I didn't mean to forbid them.
7) <head> </head> Yeah, this is good practice.
8) <h1> Well, this is often so big as to be distracting, and I was thinking
of using <h2> somewhere else or for navigation, etc.
Do I actually know _how_ to do a style sheet? Never read that chapter of
html for dummies.
I _do_ want:
a) an extremely rigid and consistent way of linking to your images and
embedded files (there could be tons of files uploaded).
b) generally a consistent look.
c) some keywords so that we can set up easier way for users to access tuts
(instead of inferring content from title).
d) an email address in there so I can keep the files and your "identity"
straight.
Mike Williams wrote:
> Wasn't it Greg M. Johnson who wrote:
> >I'm proposing the following required format for the 10Best Cd
> >collection.
> >It can be of any length with any number of include files or what have
> >you . But it should be one html zipped together with text files and
> >JPG's per "submission."
> >Each file should follow the following format for use of included html
> >code, included longer files, headings, and for reference to JPG's. I'll
> >make up a web page to explain this in greater detail. But any
> >objections to this so far?
>
> It looks severely bland. How about providing a pretty cascading style
> sheet, and we'll all link to it by putting a link to it, like
> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="pretty.css"></head>
> and perhaps having a background image or background colour that we'd all
> use.
>
> I notice that there's no navigation specified here. Are you planning on
> having all the navigation in a separate frame (and remembering that
> POVRay runs on some machines that don't have frame-capable browsers) or
> are you expecting the users to make extensive use of the BACK button?
>
> --
> Mike Williams
> Gentleman of Leisure
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On 7 Sep 2000 16:09:26 -0400, Ron Parker wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:13:32 +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>>
>>>The image that made this sphere is here:
>>><br>
>>><img src="gmjimage01.jpg">
>>
>>The alt tag is missing.
>
>As are the width and height tags.
They are optional, and not that important on a CD (but quite important
on the web, at least for netscape users). The alt tag is mandatory in
HTML, though you could argue that nobody will use to text browser to
view a CD full of images :-)
hp
--
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|_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | sondern an der Einrichtung (aka Content).
| | | hjp### [at] wsracat | -- Ale### [at] univieacat
__/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | zum Thema Portale in at.linux
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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 1) Yes, perhaps the best answer is a style sheet.
> 2) Yes, thanks for the reminder that frames are no-no for some users. The
> navigation would be added at the end.
> 3) width, height: What is the consequence of leaving this out? I didn't
> mean to forbid it, but what is the NEED?
> 4) <blockquote> is just my preference for having the page have a margin
> and more readable. No harm to anyone, I believe, if you are missing a
> </blockquote>
> 5) <p>Don't take this too literally as to where and when to post these.
> 6) Yes, alt tags are cool. I didn't mean to forbid them.
> 7) <head> </head> Yeah, this is good practice.
> 8) <h1> Well, this is often so big as to be distracting, and I was thinking
> of using <h2> somewhere else or for navigation, etc.
>
> Do I actually know _how_ to do a style sheet? Never read that chapter of
> html for dummies.
1) Yes.
2) Yes. no frames, please. Or rather, make them optional. Javadoc output from
JDK 1.2+ is a good example to go with
3) The browser will need to wait for the asset to get loaded before it will lay
out the page.
4) BAD BAD EVIL HACK..
:-)
Very bad in some circumstances. Just asking for trouble.
5) <P>...</P> should be used. Since HTML 2.0 the P tag changed from a marker to
a container.
6) Oooooh. yes. Alt please.
7) Yes.
8) BBZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTT!!! wrong answer again!
:-)
Seriously, mark up what you mean. How it looks changes on almost all systems.
Just remember WYSIWYG is not WYSIWOG.
"what you see is what you get" is not "what you see is what _others_ get"
That's the tricky thing on HTML.
best advice: read stuff at the WDG
http://www.htmlhelp.org/
Send me email for the stylesheet help, etc.
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Wasn't it Greg M. Johnson who wrote:
>Do I actually know _how_ to do a style sheet? Never read that chapter of
>html for dummies.
It doesn't need to be very complicated. Something like this might be a
start:-
BODY { font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
margin-left: 50px;
margin-right: 50px;
}
H3 { font-family: Tahoma,"Ariel Black",sans-serif;
color: #FF2222;
background-color: #FFFF00;
text-align: center;
}
A { font-weight: bold }
CODE { color: #0000AA;
font-size: 12pt;
}
If you save that as "pretty.css" and replace the <blockquote> in your
original example with something like:-
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="pretty.css">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#BBFFBB">
I suggest putting the margin settings into the BODY style, so that you
don't pick up any unwanted side effects that come with BLOCKQUOTE (e.g.
some browsers use italics for blockquotes).
The syntax of the css file should be reasonably obvious to somebody who
is used to handling POV script. A statement like
H3 { color: #FF2222; }
applies the specified text colour to everything within <h3> - </h3>
tags.
Distances can be specified in various units such as pixels (px), points
(pt), picas (pc), millimetres (mm), inches (in), or a percentage of what
the size would otherwise have been (%).
The FONT-FAMILY parameter has the special property that a series of
fonts can be specified. If the first font family is present in the
target environment, then that's what is used. If that font family is not
present, then the next one is used, etc. There are five magic "generic"
font names (serif, sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, monospace) that will
always be available, so it's a good idea to have one of those magic
words at the end of the parameter list.
It's also possible to define your own classes. Suppose we wanted any
glossary information in the tutorials to be distinctive, we could define
our own class of paragraph, and add
P.GLOSSARY { border: 2px solid; /* draw a box round it */
background-color: #44FF44;
}
to the style sheet, and place all the glossary text within
<p class="glossary"> - </p> tags.
--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Proposed tutorial format (hope this is in plain text).
Date: 9 Sep 2000 15:57:05
Message: <39ba9611@news.povray.org>
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Peter J. Holzer <hjp### [at] sikituwsracat> wrote:
: The alt tag is mandatory in
: HTML, though you could argue that nobody will use to text browser to
: view a CD full of images :-)
The alt-tag doesn't only work for formatting better in text browsers,
but it can only be used for a kind-of tooltip (at least in the most recent
versions of graphical browsers, I think).
It should be noted that it's not just enough to add alt-tags, it has to
be done well (specially when making a page for text browsers).
For example if you make this:
This <img src="image.jpg" alt="Povray image"> is a Povray image.
you'll get this when watching it with a text browser:
This Povray image is a Povray image.
The correct way of doing it would be something like this:
This <a href="image.jpg"><img src="image.jpg" alt="[IMAGE]" border=0></a>
is a Povray image.
Also the correct alt-tag for non-essential decorations (which do not
contribute to the text) is: alt=""
--
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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Warp wrote:
> The correct way of doing it would be something like this:
>
> This <a href="image.jpg"><img src="image.jpg" alt="[IMAGE]" border=0></a>
> is a Povray image.
I'd have to say that it could probably be done a little better. Perhaps
something like:
This <a href="image.jpg"><img src="image.jpg" alt="[Rendering of a Sunset]"
border=0></a>
is a Povray image.
Which would give:
This [Rendering of a Sunset] is a Povray image.
I find the 'alt="IMAGE"' a fairly poor solution, especially as many browsers
using them would indicate that it was an image anyway.
> Also the correct alt-tag for non-essential decorations (which do not
> contribute to the text) is: alt=""
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