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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
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> one HTML file
> up to 5 320 x 240 JPGs
> up to 5 TXT files for included scene files
>
maybe 5 320x240 is not very flexible, so an alternative of 8 240x180 or
something like that would be interesting for some purposes.
>
> Of course, I can offer a skeleton HTML file for those who are not HTML
> literate.
>
That would be a good idea anyway for a common layout (like a certain syntax
highlighting scheme for code snippets).
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A limit of five images? Some of the entries in my cyclopedia have 10! If
these are to be published on a CD, I don't think space is a problem...
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> As part of this benefit CD, we're going to offer an opportunity for
> people to upload tutorials for inclusion on the CD. I'm designing a web
> page for the uploading of these files. I want all entries to fall into
> a standard format. Any objections to requiring folks to do the
> following for each "entry":
>
> one HTML file
> up to 5 320 x 240 JPGs
> up to 5 TXT files for included scene files
>
> Can all good tutorials ever written fall into these requirements?
>
> Of course, if you have tips on media and clouds and blobs you can
> (SHOULD) submit a separate entry for each lesson. But the question is:
> was there ever a tutorial that HAD TO have a 800x600 JPG? I know I've
> often referred to the "Super Lips" array of superellipsoids, but that's
> already on a CD I'm wondering if it were rare to need this size.
>
> Of course, I can offer a skeleton HTML file for those who are not HTML
> literate.
>
> Again, remember, that this discussion is about the TUTORIAL collection.
> The contest and 10 best collections would be handled more closely to an
> IRTC entry: no HTML files required.
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Okeedoke, the people have spoken! My intent was to ferret out the proper
parameters for _designing an upload page_ , not to make yall march to some
sort of M$-like "standard."
New proposal for tut reqs:
one HTML file per "tutorial".
It must be "one web page" of any length (any y dimension,
any number of lines if you will), but formatted to fit
on a 800 pixel width screen.
Obviously, you can submit tutorials on as many topics
as you wish.
up to 10 JPG's which are accessed by <IMG SRC=".. calls in the html.
up to 10 TXT files for any embedded *.POV files, accessed by
<a href=".... calls in the html
You can use <CODE> for shorter snippets of pov code within
your main html if you wish.
no file size limit, but _no guarantee_ of CD inclusion if your tut has sixteen
3200x2400's on how to make a sphere...
Josh English wrote:
> A limit of five images? Some of the entries in my cyclopedia have 10! If
> these are to be published on a CD, I don't think space is a problem...
>
> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
>
> > As part of this benefit CD, we're going to offer an opportunity for
> > people to upload tutorials for inclusion on the CD. I'm designing a web
> > page for the uploading of these files. I want all entries to fall into
> > a standard format. Any objections to requiring folks to do the
> > following for each "entry":
> >
> > one HTML file
> > up to 5 320 x 240 JPGs
> > up to 5 TXT files for included scene files
> >
> > Can all good tutorials ever written fall into these requirements?
> >
> > Of course, if you have tips on media and clouds and blobs you can
> > (SHOULD) submit a separate entry for each lesson. But the question is:
> > was there ever a tutorial that HAD TO have a 800x600 JPG? I know I've
> > often referred to the "Super Lips" array of superellipsoids, but that's
> > already on a CD I'm wondering if it were rare to need this size.
> >
> > Of course, I can offer a skeleton HTML file for those who are not HTML
> > literate.
> >
> > Again, remember, that this discussion is about the TUTORIAL collection.
> > The contest and 10 best collections would be handled more closely to an
> > IRTC entry: no HTML files required.
>
> --
> Josh English -- Lexiphanic Lethomaniac
> eng### [at] spiritonecom
> The POV-Ray Cyclopedia http://www.spiritone.com/~english/cyclopedia/
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Cool. I'm sure I can do it in 14, but I'll have to cut a few steps... ; )
Josh
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> Okeedoke, the people have spoken! My intent was to ferret out the proper
> parameters for _designing an upload page_ , not to make yall march to some
> sort of M$-like "standard."
>
> New proposal for tut reqs:
>
> one HTML file per "tutorial".
> It must be "one web page" of any length (any y dimension,
> any number of lines if you will), but formatted to fit
> on a 800 pixel width screen.
> Obviously, you can submit tutorials on as many topics
> as you wish.
>
> up to 10 JPG's which are accessed by <IMG SRC=".. calls in the html.
>
> up to 10 TXT files for any embedded *.POV files, accessed by
> <a href=".... calls in the html
> You can use <CODE> for shorter snippets of pov code within
> your main html if you wish.
>
> no file size limit, but _no guarantee_ of CD inclusion if your tut has sixteen
> 3200x2400's on how to make a sphere...
>
> Josh English wrote:
>
> > A limit of five images? Some of the entries in my cyclopedia have 10! If
> > these are to be published on a CD, I don't think space is a problem...
> >
> > "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > > As part of this benefit CD, we're going to offer an opportunity for
> > > people to upload tutorials for inclusion on the CD. I'm designing a web
> > > page for the uploading of these files. I want all entries to fall into
> > > a standard format. Any objections to requiring folks to do the
> > > following for each "entry":
> > >
> > > one HTML file
> > > up to 5 320 x 240 JPGs
> > > up to 5 TXT files for included scene files
> > >
> > > Can all good tutorials ever written fall into these requirements?
> > >
> > > Of course, if you have tips on media and clouds and blobs you can
> > > (SHOULD) submit a separate entry for each lesson. But the question is:
> > > was there ever a tutorial that HAD TO have a 800x600 JPG? I know I've
> > > often referred to the "Super Lips" array of superellipsoids, but that's
> > > already on a CD I'm wondering if it were rare to need this size.
> > >
> > > Of course, I can offer a skeleton HTML file for those who are not HTML
> > > literate.
> > >
> > > Again, remember, that this discussion is about the TUTORIAL collection.
> > > The contest and 10 best collections would be handled more closely to an
> > > IRTC entry: no HTML files required.
> >
> > --
> > Josh English -- Lexiphanic Lethomaniac
> > eng### [at] spiritonecom
> > The POV-Ray Cyclopedia http://www.spiritone.com/~english/cyclopedia/
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I really don't understand why limit the number of items and not set any
limit to file sizes when it should the exactly the other way around.
It's the disk space we are concerned about, isn't it? The tutorials shouldn't
take too much disk space so that they will all fit in the CD. What does it
matter if the tutorial has 2 or 200 images as long as they don't take too
much space?
I still propose that the limitations are set for the disk space needed for
the whole tutorial.
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:39aede6d@news.povray.org...
| I really don't understand why limit the number of items and not set any
| limit to file sizes when it should the exactly the other way around.
| It's the disk space we are concerned about, isn't it? The tutorials
shouldn't
| take too much disk space so that they will all fit in the CD. What does it
| matter if the tutorial has 2 or 200 images as long as they don't take too
| much space?
| I still propose that the limitations are set for the disk space needed
for
| the whole tutorial.
Sounded like Greg was hoping for a somewhat standardized look to the web
pages, since he also mentioned only a 320x240 size image; at least within
some constraints. Obviously people have trouble with that kind of thing,
rules have been changed before to suit the individual versus the masses (or
is that the other way 'round?).
A CD holds 360 Megs so makes me wonder about the collection of such a
potentially large amount of stuff, hope he's got a good 56K connection or
better there :-)
Although a little calculating (guestimating) turns up that only a 1/2 or
less of the CD would probably be filled, still a large amount of data to
pass around if a fair amount of people submit there stuff.
Bob
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cds hold at least 540MB and can hold 700MB. i record stuff all the
time. i agree that a size limit, not a format limit should be set
instead. in fact, i think that a self contained folder of limited size
is what should be submitted. the first page should be called
index.html. the folder should be called by the author's first initial
and last name with an underscore between them. this way, links from the
cd's main tutorial page can be standard, each pointing to the correct
folder with no mention of filename (as index.*, and default.* are loaded
automatically by the browsers). pictures are usually small if they are
in the tut, with links to larger images at key places. i think this
method works well, hense my above opinion on size limit instead.
greg, maybe download some tut's from a few websites and see what they
involve MB size-wise and get back to us with your thoughts on it.
Bob Hughes wrote:
>
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> news:39aede6d@news.povray.org...
> | I really don't understand why limit the number of items and not set any
> | limit to file sizes when it should the exactly the other way around.
> | It's the disk space we are concerned about, isn't it? The tutorials
> shouldn't
> | take too much disk space so that they will all fit in the CD. What does it
> | matter if the tutorial has 2 or 200 images as long as they don't take too
> | much space?
> | I still propose that the limitations are set for the disk space needed
> for
> | the whole tutorial.
>
> Sounded like Greg was hoping for a somewhat standardized look to the web
> pages, since he also mentioned only a 320x240 size image; at least within
> some constraints. Obviously people have trouble with that kind of thing,
> rules have been changed before to suit the individual versus the masses (or
> is that the other way 'round?).
> A CD holds 360 Megs so makes me wonder about the collection of such a
> potentially large amount of stuff, hope he's got a good 56K connection or
> better there :-)
> Although a little calculating (guestimating) turns up that only a 1/2 or
> less of the CD would probably be filled, still a large amount of data to
> pass around if a fair amount of people submit there stuff.
>
> Bob
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"ryan constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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| cds hold at least 540MB and can hold 700MB. i record stuff all the
| time.
Oh gosh, you are so right! I just looked at one of my CD-R disks and sure
enough 650 megs. Don't know what I was thinking. Haven't used a CD-R drive
for a year.
Okay, so my clumsy guestimations now work out to 1/4 a CD.
Thanks, Ryan, for correcting me. I agree with the space over content
guidelines too, especially since knowing how many images or other references
are going to be needed to describe any particualr thing.
Bob
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:59:28 -0700, ryan constantine
<rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
[..]
>folder with no mention of filename (as index.*, and default.* are loaded
>automatically by the browsers). pictures are usually small if they are
[..]
FYI
Index.*, default.* or whatever.* is submitted by the server if a
browser requests a URL without the filename. A browser does not
automatically opens a default file if a directory is 'linked' on a
file system. So you have to specify a filename in that case.
Kind regards,
Richard
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Just to point out some things:
IMAGE COLLECTION
The "Your 10 Best Images" Collection will take up 3 Mb per person.
Math: (0.25 Mb/image * 10 images +0.5M safety factor, thumbnails,etc.) = 3 Mb
The number of participants could be from 20 to 750 (The pre-announcement page is
ALREADY being linked to from the Japanese povray webring!)
So for just the image collection, this could easily fill up a CD. 200 people *
3 Mb/person=600 Mb.
TUTS
Yes, I'd like a consistent feel. But also I want the upload process to be
extremely orderly, as we are talking thousands of files on the server already
from the other collection. Instructions to the masses of, "just go ahead and
upload your tutorials by ftp" doesn't cut it by my judgement. One dude will have
an 800 x 600 image with several zipped pov files; another will have 32 images
and an essay in txt format. To get this into a user-usable format on the CD,
the CD _editor_ would instead really be the _writer_.
I want the upload to occur via a web page. Even if it doesn't the server should
have a format by which it spits unruly files back out at the uploader, like
IRTC. So should I make 20, 25, 250 spaces on the upload web page for files? I'm
wondering who's going to have something of real value with more than 25 jpg's.
As far as the size for tutorials, there's also a different philosophy for this
than the "your 10 best" collection. The image collection is sort of a level
playing field--any bloke can upload anything of any quality. For tuts, I intend
to be more picky. We may have second thoughts about inclusion or talk to the
woman who includes a 1600 x 1200 where a 640 x 480 would have done fine. My
overall philosophy is to make everything much more accessible than the image
collections we'd see at the IRTC site or on this server.
Bob Hughes wrote:
> "ryan constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
> news:39AF53D0.17B143A2@yahoo.com...
> | cds hold at least 540MB and can hold 700MB. i record stuff all the
> | time.
>
> Oh gosh, you are so right! I just looked at one of my CD-R disks and sure
> enough 650 megs. Don't know what I was thinking. Haven't used a CD-R drive
> for a year.
> Okay, so my clumsy guestimations now work out to 1/4 a CD.
> Thanks, Ryan, for correcting me. I agree with the space over content
> guidelines too, especially since knowing how many images or other references
> are going to be needed to describe any particualr thing.
>
> Bob
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