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Yeah, it looks like a direct copy and redesign of your list. Have you sent them an
email asking
them to give credit where credit is due?
Josh
Diego Krota wrote:
> Hi everybody.
> I'm posting here to ask you all help me defend an hard work I have done and donate
to
> 3D graphics community.
> All of you, as me, use or have used free software and grown their graphics skills
having
> access to the enoromous quantity of information avalaible in Internet and made
available
> mostly by volounteers that gather info, makes tutorials, donate 3D models and
textures
> and so on.
> I discovered today that a bastard stolen a part of my web page and put it on his
page
> with just minimal changing.
> Action like those hurts not only the owners but the whole community since people
will
> became even more reluctant to put on web pages free material and work in general
that can
> be copied or used without giving authors their credits.
>
> This is my original 3D Software List (wich occoured me much work and many people
helped me):
> http://www.geocities.com/dkrota/3Dgraphics.html
>
> And this is the copy (even outdated!)
> http://www.vector6.com/graphics.html
>
> Please read and compare the headers.
>
> My page is up since 1997, the pirate one since 1999.
>
>
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> My request is that everyone of you drop a mail to the bastard asking for the page to
be
> removed.
> Remember, you are protecting your own right to have access to the best material on
the Net
> not just pirated lousy one (and even bad updated!!!)
>
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>
> I will thank in advance all of you that will help me
>
> *** IMPORTANT: to answer me by mail REMOVE "X" from my address ***
>
> \--------------------------------------------------------\
> \ Diego Krota http://www.geocities.com/dkrota \
> \-------\------------------------------------------------\-------\
> \ Never do anything you wouldn't be caught dead doing \
> \--------------------------------------------------------\
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Josh English -- Lexiphanic Lethomaniac
eng### [at] spiritone com
The POV-Ray Cyclopedia http://www.spiritone.com/~english/cyclopedia/
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You have posted the same message to several different newsgroups...this
causes each message to take up room on the server, and also means people
who read more than one of the groups have to download the message twice.
If it is really necessary to post the same message to more than one
group, please use cross-posting instead of multiposting.
Please read the message "Cross-Posting Guidelines for news.povray.org"
in povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions.
Anyway, I wish you luck with the pirate...
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Christopher James Huff - Personal e-mail: chr### [at] maccom
TAG(Technical Assistance Group) e-mail: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
Personal Web page: http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG Web page: http://tag.povray.org/
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:01:00 +0200 Diego Krota <Xdk### [at] geocitiescom>
wrote:
>My request is that everyone of you drop a mail to the bastard asking for the page to
be
>removed.
Hi, Diego. It's unfortunate that someone took your page and modified
it slightly for their own use without your knowledge or consent. I agree
that this is not right.
Now that you've announced it on this server, could you please cancel
all of your duplicate announcements with the exception of this one in
povray.general? This is the only relevant group to make such an
announcement (other than p.off-topic).
Thank you for your consideration.
--
Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
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Sorry for the trouble.
I didn't know the difference of multi posting and cross posting, nor I know how to
delete a message.
Let me know and I'll do.
Thank you
Alan Kong wrote:
>
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:01:00 +0200 Diego Krota <Xdk### [at] geocitiescom>
> wrote:
>
> >My request is that everyone of you drop a mail to the bastard asking for the page
to be
> >removed.
>
> Hi, Diego. It's unfortunate that someone took your page and modified
> it slightly for their own use without your knowledge or consent. I agree
> that this is not right.
>
> Now that you've announced it on this server, could you please cancel
> all of your duplicate announcements with the exception of this one in
> povray.general? This is the only relevant group to make such an
> announcement (other than p.off-topic).
>
> Thank you for your consideration.
>
> --
> Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
> http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
--
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\ Diego Krota http://www.geocities.com/dkrota \
\-------\------------------------------------------------\-------\
\ Never do anything you wouldn't be caught dead doing \
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Ok, I discovered how to delete messages. (I really never known it was possible!)
On povray.unix someone complained about flooding is not the right option and to ask
the guy first to remove the page.
If it was a kind guy, it would not steal pages, right?
If we didn't fight hard this behaviour it'll be ruin the Net as we know it today.
Diego Krota wrote:
>
> Sorry for the trouble.
> I didn't know the difference of multi posting and cross posting, nor I know how to
delete a message.
> Let me know and I'll do.
>
> Thank you
>
> Alan Kong wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:01:00 +0200 Diego Krota <Xdk### [at] geocitiescom>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >My request is that everyone of you drop a mail to the bastard asking for the page
to be
> > >removed.
> >
> > Hi, Diego. It's unfortunate that someone took your page and modified
> > it slightly for their own use without your knowledge or consent. I agree
> > that this is not right.
> >
> > Now that you've announced it on this server, could you please cancel
> > all of your duplicate announcements with the exception of this one in
> > povray.general? This is the only relevant group to make such an
> > announcement (other than p.off-topic).
> >
> > Thank you for your consideration.
> >
> > --
> > Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
> > http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
>
> --
> \--------------------------------------------------------\
> \ Diego Krota http://www.geocities.com/dkrota \
> \-------\------------------------------------------------\-------\
> \ Never do anything you wouldn't be caught dead doing \
> \--------------------------------------------------------\
--
\--------------------------------------------------------\
\ Diego Krota http://www.geocities.com/dkrota \
\-------\------------------------------------------------\-------\
\ Never do anything you wouldn't be caught dead doing \
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Diego Krota wrote:
> If it was a kind guy, it would not steal pages, right?
Maybe he doesn't feel it as "stealing", maybe he doesn't really
realise that he did something wrong. Be positive, at first. Write
him, tell him (nicely) you don't agree, and, according to his
answer, you will be able to judge wether it's a kind person or not.
> If we didn't fight hard this behaviour it'll be ruin the Net as we know it today.
Overload of business will ruin the net, nothing else...
Fabien.
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"Fabien Mosen" <fab### [at] skynetbe> wrote in message
news:399263F9.7EA9D8C5@skynet.be...
| Be positive, at first. Write him, tell him (nicely) you don't agree,
and, according to his
| answer, you will be able to judge wether it's a kind person or not.
I agree. Emailing the person yourself is the first thing to do and not get
too impatient at first either. I saw that he said Dingo and Rinky (whoever
they are :-)) helped with that list. But Since it's pretty much an exact
duplicate of your own I don't see how they only helped with parts. Curious
anyway.
Worse thing about this is there's no way for the rest of us to be sure if
you are actually the author and not the other way around. The general
public isn't going to be able to judge and could only cause more trouble for
everyone involved (or get involved). I know that sounds bad, sorry. Wish I
had a better alternative to suggest.
Bob
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Fabien Mosen wrote in message <399263F9.7EA9D8C5@skynet.be>...
>Diego Krota wrote:
>> If it was a kind guy, it would not steal pages, right?
>
>Maybe he doesn't feel it as "stealing", maybe he doesn't really
>realise that he did something wrong. Be positive, at first. Write
>him, tell him (nicely) you don't agree, and, according to his
>answer, you will be able to judge wether it's a kind person or not.
>
If that doesn't get results, you could try speaking to the people who
host the site.
Gail
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In article <399274a8@news.povray.org>, "Bob Hughes"
<per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:
> I agree. Emailing the person yourself is the first thing to do and
> not get too impatient at first either. I saw that he said Dingo and
> Rinky (whoever they are :-)) helped with that list. But Since it's
> pretty much an exact duplicate of your own I don't see how they only
> helped with parts.
And it is quite possible that Dingo grabbed the page, Rinky redid the
design just enough to make it look different, and this Vector6 didn't
even know it was stolen from another web page. :-)
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Christopher James Huff - Personal e-mail: chr### [at] maccom
TAG(Technical Assistance Group) e-mail: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg
Personal Web page: http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
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Diego Krota <Xdk### [at] geocitiescom> wrote in message
news:3991641D.36E63D6D@geocities.com...
> Hi everybody.
> I'm posting here to ask you all help me defend an hard work I have done
and donate to
> 3D graphics community.
Ok, I e-mailed Rudy Spurlin, manager of the Vector6 site, and voiced to him
my concerns that the list he is hosting may have been stolen. He replied to
my message claiming the very same thing you are, that his list was stolen,
and is now being harassed by people claiming him as the thief based solely
on your original post. Spurlin wished to speak no more of the matter to me
pending future legal action needed to rectify this situation. A bold
statement coming from someone who supposedly "stole" a list of links... As
Bob Huges first mentioned, it's sad to say but there is little proof that
the list is indeed yours, or his. Therefore, trying to raise a riotous mob
in your defense will hardly make matters right and will only confuse the
situation. The best solution is to e-mail him, and only him, and work the
situation out peacefully.
Good luck,
-Chris-
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