> Today, I had some words with a 3DSMax user that was frightened
> by a 1 week render of mine :-)))

He mustn't be too hard-core then... maybe he should try adding in some
Raytraced materials and then watching the render time drag out :)

Unless of course he somehow got a pre-release of Arnold (messiah:render)

Which reminds me, this is all rendered in Arnold, there isn't anything real
in this animation... http://www.3dluvr.com/pepeland/Pepe.zip

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Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
> 
> Well I've just started my IRTC entry off - It's rendering the quick bit at
> 10mins a line! and I know it'll get as slow as an hour a line!
> Hope it renders in time!
> 
> Mick

Well, there is unit for measuring patience for rendering: blinn.
Mark VandeWettering from Pixar wrote once in c.g.r.r.:

>Blinn's law states that you will keep rendering more complex scenes,
>right up until the point you reach some internal time threshold, no
>matter how fast your computer is.   I believe Blinn claimed he could
>stand five minutes a frame.  If we call that unit of patience a "blinn",
>then at 8 hours per scanline, that means a render of 600 scanlines takes
>200 days, or 4800 hours, or 57.6Kblinns of patience.  I applaud you for
>your patience.  In normal CG production, we normally have about 50
>blinns of patience, although we'd like to be down into the 20 or so
>range.

So, if you will have hour per line for rendering image with height 600,
then
your patience will be 7.2 kblinns.

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Mick Hazelgrove wrote in message <398dd58d@news.povray.org>...
>Well I've just started my IRTC entry off - It's rendering the quick bit at
>10mins a line! and I know it'll get as slow as an hour a line!
>Hope it renders in time!


Hope you've got a UPS.

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Fabien Mosen wrote in message <398DD9E8.9567D799@skynet.be>...
>Mick Hazelgrove wrote:
>>
>> Well I've just started my IRTC entry off - It's rendering the quick bit
at
>> 10mins a line! and I know it'll get as slow as an hour a line!
>> Hope it renders in time!
>
>Today, I had some words with a 3DSMax user that was frightened
>by a 1 week render of mine :-)))
>


I know a Max user who thinks 57 minutes for a 800*600 image
is an incredibly long render.

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Lewis <nle### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:
: Yeserreee. I think the 3DSMax users have a word for this.
: "Cheapsakets"...
: and yet - LONG LIVE FREEWARE!

  I suppose that not even a half of 3DSMax users have bought their copy of
the program (at least not in a legal way).

  I have one word for all those 3DS fanatics who haven't paid for the
program: Lamers.

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Warp wrote:
> 
> Lewis <nle### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:
> : Yeserreee. I think the 3DSMax users have a word for this.
> : "Cheapsakets"...
> : and yet - LONG LIVE FREEWARE!
> 
>   I suppose that not even a half of 3DSMax users have bought their copy of
> the program (at least not in a legal way).

If half of Max users paid, Autodesk would be richer that M$...

What's annoying with them (tough I really don't care for Autodesk),
is that they feel very proud about the software they use, and tend
to defend it agressively.

Right now, with the port of Mental Ray to Max, they are discovering
montecarlo radiosity and caustics, and cries if you remind them that
it's available elsewhere since long...

Fabien.

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Lance Birch wrote:

> Unless of course he somehow got a pre-release of Arnold (messiah:render)

Would you know how long the Arnold images take to render ? I'm also wondering
why all the examples have a limited color range : is this on purpose or the
result of some limitation ? Anyway, they're probably the best I've seen so far
(in terms of lighting).

G.

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>  I suppose that not even a half of 3DSMax users have bought their copy of
>the program (at least not in a legal way).
>
>  I have one word for all those 3DS fanatics who haven't paid for the
>program: Lamers.


why to use max if you can use blender?
it is cross-platform in-house modelling/animation/rendering tool,
freeware and partially open source :)
and it should export to pov, too, with some python scripts.
www.blender.nl

i've read from some newsgroup that some kind of (limited?)
3ds-version is going to be free?

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"Gail Shaw" <gsh### [at] monotixcoza> wrote in message
news:398e8795@news.povray.org...
|
| I know a Max user who thinks 57 minutes for a 800*600 image
| is an incredibly long render.

That is... if no refraction or reflection or complex CSG is used  :-)

Bob

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Lance Birch wrote:
>
> > Unless of course he somehow got a pre-release of Arnold (messiah:render)
>
> Would you know how long the Arnold images take to render ? I'm also
wondering
> why all the examples have a limited color range : is this on purpose or
the
> result of some limitation ? Anyway, they're probably the best I've seen so
far
> (in terms of lighting).

I'm not sure how long it takes to render but apparently it's fairly fast
(but I haven't seen it in action rendering).  The color range is mostly due
to having a high color bleed level (thus the background color is making it
look bland) and the artist's choice in those samples.  It can actually do
any kind of illumination model, such as surfaces that emit light etc, so
there isn't any limitation on it.  Also, right now the renderer is still
being written for MAX, so support for refraction, reflection, and true
caustics will come soon (these features are already implemented into the
Lightwave plugin version of the renderer and they look very realistic).

The radiosity is its real selling point so far though, and its depth of
field and camera grain functions.

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