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Instead of a big pile of unrelated macros,
it might be nice to have a coherent library
or collection for possible inclusion into
the official distro. Something like a
standard POV library of macros. It would
require lots of sifting, testing, getting
permission, and documentation effort.
Just a suggestion. Would make a nice new
feature of POV.
--
Nigel Stewart (nig### [at] nigels com)
Research Student, Software Developer
Y2K is the new millenium for the mathematically challenged.
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Ken wrote:
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> Zeger Knaepen wrote:
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> > What I was thinking about, would be more like:
> > http://www.xoom.com/povplage/tutorials/blobs.htm
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> But isn't that what I am already doing with the links collection at povray.org ?
>
Oh. I thought you always linked to the main-page of the site.
ZK
http://www.crosswinds.net/~povplace
> > > The reason that web page providers do not like this, especially providers
> > > like Geocities and Xoom, is because it bypasses their advertising which
> >
> > Actually, you *can* do this with Xoom. I did it once. (Yes, they
> > kicked me, but it *did* work :-)
>
> I didn't say you can't do it, just that you are not supposed to :(
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
> > But isn't that what I am already doing with the links collection at povray.org ?
> >
> Oh. I thought you always linked to the main-page of the site.
Out of self defense I am starting to but originally I tried to link to the
relevant page where the resource was located. The problem is that when people
do work on their web pages they have a nasty habit of renaming their sub
pages and in consequence breaking my link to it. This has caused me a lot
of work having to go back and trying to locate the correct address for the
resource I am listing. I have almost given up on this and instead just list
the entry page so I don't have to work as hard to maintain the links in working
order. You will still find a large mix of links in the collection, some that
take you to the resource page, and others to the main page instead.
I guarantee you will run into similar problems if you try linking directly
to the resource pages at the various sites. I have another advantage over
you. As the links page maintainer at povray.org I am pretty well known now.
When people change the contents, or address, of their site they take the time
to send me an e-mail notifying my of the change. Until I was given that
special distinction I seldom was warned when a resource was moved or changed.
It has really helped keeping the links active and up-to-date.
--
Ken Tyler - 1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> I guarantee you will run into similar problems if you try linking directly
> to the resource pages at the various sites.
>
Back when animated gifs were relatively new, I was one of the few folk
who made any large number of them for general distribution. Actually, I made
quite a good living doing so for about a year. But on my WEB page I had a
whole pile of samples and people kept trying to build their page by linking
to my images instead of downloading them and posting them on their own
server.
I would have 30,000 hits on one .gif file and only 3 on my page...
So I got a program, I forget the name now, but it's only purpose was to
find all the .gif files on your site and rename them incrementally. Worked
Great! I would run that about once a week and at first I got a bunch of
nasty E-Mail from people who thought it was unfair of me not to provide free
bandwidth with my free artwork. I loved getting those posts...
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Bob Hughes wrote:
> The point being, do people intend their uploads to become downloads. Quite a
> simple solution until the objects in question are meant to be downloaded from
> specific places only. This is going to be the main factor.
This is a good point. In many cases, it's not so much that people
object to others sharing what they have already given away with the
intent of sharing... it's the desire to maintain control over the
packages that's distributed (compare this to POV-Legal's reasoning)
either to ensure what is distributed in your name is really what
you created, or to ensure outdated versions aren't still being
handed out as the latest greatest.
I think if the macro is already available from some other site, you
should simply put a link to that site, and perhaps your own
description of what it is and does, and perhaps a quick review of
your own experience with it. That way, you have content for your
own site, you develop a one stop comprehensive list of what's
available, which everyone will appreciate, and the author
maintains control over what gets released. And who is going to
complain about you throwing web traffic in their direction?
And it's not an either-or situation: You can always publicly offer
to host a copy of the macro in the event the author ever doesn't
want to maintain their own site anymore, as well as distributing
macros for people who don't have a site of their own, which also
would be a valuable service.
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You would also, of course, give a link and encourage people to visit the
original sites, right?
(I'm just thinking of ways to boost my puny hit-o-meter, 3D ring's finally
back up (WooHoo)... :-) )
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
> You're right. But what about just linking to the files on their
> site?
> (It's also easier for me to do)
Link to the section of their page that will direct people as close to possible
to the actual file without linking to it
This also has the advantage that they can check for similar material, and the
owner of the original file knows their site was visited
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"Charles Fusner" <cfu### [at] enternet> wrote in message
news:38E3E98F.9F39C596@enter.net...
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| I think if the macro is already available from some other site, you
| should simply put a link to that site, and perhaps your own
| description of what it is and does, and perhaps a quick review of
This is probably the most feasible and easy answer. A reservoir web page in
which a visitor can find access to things without collecting the actual items,
by being a sort of informative hub instead. AKA a links page...
Anyhow I don't see much of any other way to go about it except to ask for
donations to the collection whether it be a URL to a page or the actual file.
I couldn't help but think all this was not a good idea all because other things
are based on this concept and people aren't always motivated to use the extra
effort to upload files or send in URLs to someplace (besides there own) for
possible inclusion to the collecting site regardless of the other aspects being
discussed here.
This is certainly what Zeger wanted to circumvent.
Bob
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:23:37 -0800, Ken wrote:
>"Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
>> >This raises another issue with violating the TOS of several service
>> >providers such as the major ones like geocities, xoom, and my own
>> >ISP who forbid linking to files directly from other web pages. It
>> >may not be a problem for you but you may jeopardize other people's
>> >accounts.
>>
>> This seems to be a rather unfair policy. If I put a link from my
>> site to one of your pages you may not even find out (do you get the
>> referrer logs from your provider?) and in any case you cannot do
>> anything against it. Apart from that it is of course totally against
>> the spirit of the WWW to forbid links.
>
>I provide links to well over a 1000 web pages. I do not however provide
>links to the downloadable material on those sites. There is a distinct
>difference.
Indeed. I just didn't understand that you meant "non-html files" when
you just wrote "files". Linking directly to anything but HTML is
problematic (and often considered rude) because it takes the document
out of the context.
Still, penalizing a customer for something he has no control over
strikes me as unfair. However, as long as there isn't a monopoly, I
don't care if some particular provider has a policy I don't like - I can
always find another.
hp
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:25:40 +0200, Zeger Knaepen wrote:
>Is it OK for everybody that I just take all the macros and INC-files I
>can find (from your pages, from this newsgroup, ...) and put them on
>my site (of course giving the creator the credits) to make one large
>(enormous might be a better word) collection? Or does someone
>disagree with this?
As it says in all my macro files:
Copy.. Oh just take it!
--
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