Mark Gordon wrote:
> 
> Ken wrote:
> 
> > The statistics for the POV-Ray home page at - http://www.povray.org
> >
> > Daily Averages for the month of November 1999
> >
> > Total Hits                 97,428
> > Files Downloaded           85,479
> > Pages Accessed             40,219
> 
> This isn't just a count of the various POV-Ray packages, but also all
> the HTML documents (Pages Accessed, inflated further by the use of
> frames) and associated graphics (most of the difference between Files
> Downloaded and Pages Accessed).  Adjust by a factor of 10 or 20 to
> calculate how many people visited the sites (repeat visitors within a
> given month most likely using cached files).
> 
> -Mark Gordon

Like I said the stats are almost useless for determining the POV-Ray
user base. Even your best guess could easily be off by 30% -40% or
more.

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As you might have noticed I made a mistake in the first try, if that's possible
to mistake a complete guess, by dividing wrong.  The number comes out to 50,000
and not 500,000.  Somehow I can't imagine a half million people are using, or
have used POV-Ray.  That's a large number.  Especially if you consider there
might be about 100 million computer users worldwide, that would be %0.5 or 1 out
of 200 people.  Unlikely I think.

Bob

"Peter Warren" <int### [at] halcyoncom> wrote in message
news:38956d20@news.povray.org...
| 500,000.
| This sounds about right to me.
| I once 'tried' to calculate this number (of users)
| and this is the approximate number I came up with.
|
| WCFM (What Counts For Me) and my efforts I would
| add 500,003.
|
| Hey, It's a start.
|
| Peter Warren
| war### [at] hotmailcom
|
|
|

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Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
>I think, that many people read these
>newsgroups, but only a little part of
>them write in these newsgroups.

I think so too.

I also think that the people who read
these newsgroups are only a little
part of all the POV-Ray users.

Somewhere on www.povray.org there's a
list with all the newsgroups, but I
think it's too difficult to find the
page with that list.
I think it should be linked to from
either the menu bar or the home page,
like it was once. That will make new
users more aware of these groups.

Greetings,

Rune

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I think they are all so in awe at the entries they see that
they choose not to embarrass themselves, in other words, the
standards are rather high, and the learning curve on POV-Ray
rather steep :-) .

HB



Matt Giwer <jul### [at] ijnet> wrote in message news:362C57DF.C453B841@ij.net...
>
>     Which brings up a question, where the hell are they? By the 1/10th of
1%
> rule there should be 2900 entries to the IRTC. And even 1/100th of 1%
aren't
> there.
>
>     Not that I am encouraging them...
>
> --
> The question is not, "Who will let me do it?"
> The question is, "Who will stop me?"
>
>

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I wouldn't want to hazard a guestimate, however some things to
consider are:
1. Some users, like my son, have never visited the web site.
2. Many users started using POV before there was a web site :-)
3. POV-Ray has been included in magazines and books.

So the higher estimates may not be far off

Harold



Bob Hughes <omn### [at] hotmailcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
news:3895ea31@news.povray.org...
> As you might have noticed I made a mistake in the first try, if that's
possible
> to mistake a complete guess, by dividing wrong.  The number comes out to
50,000
> and not 500,000.  Somehow I can't imagine a half million people are using,
or
> have used POV-Ray.  That's a large number.  Especially if you consider
there
> might be about 100 million computer users worldwide, that would be %0.5 or
1 out
> of 200 people.  Unlikely I think.
>
> Bob

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:01:28 -0600, "Bob Hughes"
<omn### [at] hotmailcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

>As you might have noticed I made a mistake in the first try, if that's possible
>to mistake a complete guess, by dividing wrong.  The number comes out to 50,000
>and not 500,000.  Somehow I can't imagine a half million people are using, or
>have used POV-Ray.  That's a large number.  Especially if you consider there
>might be about 100 million computer users worldwide, that would be %0.5 or 1 out
>of 200 people.  Unlikely I think.
>
>Bob

If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
think :)


Peter Popov
pet### [at] usanet
ICQ: 15002700

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>If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
>him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
>think :)


The best I got was a Lightwave user that had heard of POV. Since then, I've
never met anyone who has even heard of it. I tried to persuade a friend of
mine, but he's in love with 3D Studio Max. :(

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TonyB wrote in message <38965706@news.povray.org>...
>
>The best I got was a Lightwave user that had heard of POV. Since then, I've
>never met anyone who has even heard of it. I tried to persuade a friend of
>mine, but he's in love with 3D Studio Max. :(
>


I've got two friends who use or have used pov. The one was the person who
encouraged me to start. He stopped rendering quite a while ago. The other
is still raytracing, though he uses moray exclusively.

One of those is still in south africa, the other has moved to the usa.

Gail

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Peter Popov wrote:

> If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
> him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
> think :)
>

Everytime I do a public lecture about my POV work (happens a couple of times a year),
there's always at least one person who's using it too in the attendance. It is often
surprising. I've discovered for instance that some teachers use it to teach maths to
kids. People who are not internet-savvy just do not know about the newsgroups or the
povray page and do their own pov stuff ignoring the community out there. There are
also people who have to do a quick 3D stuff at work, spend a day learning the basics,
turn out the couple of spheres they need, and that's all.
Unlike commercial packages, who tend to appeal to certain definite crowds, POV seems
very versatile in that respect. It's a strange phenomenon actually.

G.

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I once spent a long, awkward day in NY City with my wife and a male friend of
hers from Germany.  Then late in the afternoon, sitting in the Egyptian room of
one of those museums, he said something about wishing to make photographs of
the temples to make textures available to people, for "puvereighya".  I almost
ignored the comment, until I realized he was talking about what I had been
awkwardly calling the "persistence of vision tracer." We were best friends from
that instant on..


Ken, does your web site counter track unique individuals or just hits?


TonyB wrote:

> >If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
> >him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
> >think :)
>
> The best I got was a Lightwave user that had heard of POV. Since then, I've
> never met anyone who has even heard of it. I tried to persuade a friend of
> mine, but he's in love with 3D Studio Max. :(

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