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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:39:55
Message: <37b2eacb@news.povray.org>
In the "BLESS YOU!" thread... most of the action is a fair few levels deep.

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Remco de Korte wrote in message <37B2B468.7C4D4656@xs4all.nl>...
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>
>> The message titled "BLESS YOU!"
>>
>> There was a big flame war but now the flames have died down.
>>
>> --
>> Lance.
>>
>
>I figured as much, but where was the flame war? Which thread?
>
>I feel so left out 8-{
>
>;-)
>
>Remco
>
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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:50:14
Message: <37B2ED00.1AF60563@pacbell.net>
Remco de Korte wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in the
> > post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last few.
> >
> 
> Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which thread/message is
> this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only one not
> getting this?
> 
> Remco

The "BLESS YOU" thread started originaly as the " #read #fiasco " thread then
changed names once the poster found the info needed and was thanking those
that helped. All hell broke loose shortly there after.

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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:52:26
Message: <37b2edba@news.povray.org>
Ah OK, gotcha :)

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Ken wrote in message <37B2ED00.1AF60563@pacbell.net>...
>
>
>Remco de Korte wrote:
>>
>> Lance Birch wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in
the
>> > post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last
few.
>> >
>>
>> Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which
thread/message is
>> this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only
one not
>> getting this?
>>
>> Remco
>
>The "BLESS YOU" thread started originaly as the " #read #fiasco " thread
then
>changed names once the poster found the info needed and was thanking those
>that helped. All hell broke loose shortly there after.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
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From: Remco de Korte
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:37:09
Message: <37B3304E.D1F8471@xs4all.nl>
Ken wrote:
> 
> Remco de Korte wrote:
> >
> > Lance Birch wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, just as a side tangent here (since everyone has been doing so in the
> > > post mentioned), I didn't read the original post, just some of the last few.
> > >
> >
> > Okay, I hesitated to do this but: what's this about. To which thread/message is
> > this referring? I seem to have missed a lot of excitement. Am I the only one not
> > getting this?
> >
> > Remco
> 
> The "BLESS YOU" thread started originaly as the " #read #fiasco " thread then
> changed names once the poster found the info needed and was thanking those
> that helped. All hell broke loose shortly there after.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html

Thank you! I had an entertaining half hour over this thread once I found it. I
thought it ran for a long time but it seems to have taken only about a day to
fire things up. Perhaps it was the eclipse (for us Europee-ers).
I'm glad I didn't get caught up in that thing, but to put things in perspective:
a couple of months ago the VCards started to irritate me too. Especially because
in the binaries groups I tend to look for the binaries first, just finding
another VCard. Since most messages with a VCard were from M.G. I contacted him
through (private) e-mail kindly asking him if he would consider leaving the
VCards out. I never got a reply. So, as he suggested, I
unsystematically/semi-conciously filtered his messages, just skipping most of
them. Did anyone notice? Did I bother anyone? Did I miss anything? Well, yes, of
course: I missed a juicy flamewar. 

Most of the time these type of things are not worth the bother, but they can be
"fun". Perhaps blowing of steam in one of these groups will prevent someone from
beating up the kids for once ;-)

Hm ,what I was trying to say: the discussion was partly about "netiquette". Is a
flameware netiquette? If so...(fill in your own conclusion)

Regards and have fun (and peace of course),

Remco

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 12 Aug 1999 17:00:44
Message: <37B2F573.3BF80770@ndirect.co.uk>
Who's Dick Clark?

Ron Parker wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:40:22 -0700, Josh English wrote:
> >I personally think that y2k is a joke, but the 20th century ends on 12/21/1999
> >and the 21st begins on 1/1/00
> 
> What do you call the ten days in between? :)
> 
> >The only advantage to thinking that the century starts on 1/1/01 is that the
> >rest of us can have a second big party.
> 
> I was shopping recently and saw all kinds of otherwise-cheap merchandise
> emblazoned with the (trademarked) "Mark of the Millennium : 01/01/00"
> seal and marked up by astronomical amounts.  I would have thought it would
> be much cooler to say the mark of the millennium is 01/01/01, but I guess
> they didn't think that was quite as marketable.  Maybe I can trademark the
> "Mark of the Real Millennium" seal and make a fortune off of geeks.
> 
> Okay, I'm sorry I started this again.  I submit myself for whatever
> punishment seems suitable, except being forced to watch Dick Clark announce
> the beginning of the new Millennium.

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From: GRedway
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 12 Aug 1999 17:47:38
Message: <37B30DCD.288B33BC@Totalise.co.uk>
>>1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had to say it!
 hehe!<<

Are you taking in to account of the fact they hadn't been counting leap
years for quite some time?

	Graham.
P.S. No need to reply, this could drag on for too long.

Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> >"I think you should post this in povray.general or
> >povray.binaries.animations
> >because we are really only here for the Internet Movie Project and the
> >themes have already been decided for it.
> >
> >--
> >Lance Birch
> >Remove the smiley to e-mail.
> >http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/ambient/lance"
> >
> >He was quickly corrected and apologized and all went on OK. I had another
> >skirmish with him later on, but all was quickly settled. I have actually
> had
> >several 'battles' here, but the people are wonderful, intelligent people
> and
> >know how to end disputes quickly and in a civilized manner. I like that. =)
> 

> but I've learnt my lesson now.  :)  No hard feelings?  (I will openly admit
> I'm very arrogant at times by the way, I'm just too young and naive I guess)
> 
> In my little conclusionary statement to this whole thing (that seems to
> really be dragging out now):
> 
> 1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had to
> say it!  hehe!
> 2.  Well it's nice to see that everyone's calmed down and got back to work.
> :)
> 3.  Thanks to everyone here that has helped me out.
> 4.  Thanks to the POV-Team for providing such a wonderful program and
> server!!!
> 5.  I hope that in my time here so far I've been of some help to all you
> wonderful people!
> 
> "Keep on tracing!"
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:22:35
Message: <37b3c7bb@news.povray.org>


No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no year
0).

I'm not saying the actual date we're using is valid.  After all some people
don't beleive in God and so that kinda wipes out the whole date structure
we've got anyway (starting from a point 0 I mean).  And of those that do
beleive in Christ, some say now that the date is out a few years anyway etc
etc.  And then there's the leap years.  It goes on and on :)

My only point was that because everyone seems to run by the current date
system (even if it is out a few years, which it probably is), the new
millennium technically, by mathematics, starts on 01/01/2001.  (and thus the
point about Y2K not being the new millennium and thus making the term
millennium bug wrong etc etc)

Anyway, this is way OT, I'm sorry I brought this up again.  I should know by
now to keep my mouth shut!!!  :)

Let's get back to raytracing!!!  8-)

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GRedway wrote in message <37B30DCD.288B33BC@Totalise.co.uk>...
>>>1.  The new millennium *technically* starts on 01/01/2001 ;-)  I just had
to say it!  hehe!<<
>
>Are you taking in to account of the fact they hadn't been counting leap
>years for quite some time?


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:43:26
Message: <37B3CC2E.67A1B966@pacbell.net>
Lance Birch wrote:
> 

> 
> No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
> date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no year
> 0).

  Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the moment
that Christ was born would have been the first second of the first minute of
the first hour of the first day of year one. That is the only reference point
you need to validate the beginning of a period of time.

On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.

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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 13 Aug 1999 05:02:31
Message: <37b3df27@news.povray.org>
>  Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the
moment

EXACTLY!!!  That's my EXACT point, there is no 0.  It's just the beginning.
You're in the 1st year, not the 0th (o-th?) yeah.

So on the year marked 1, you're in the 1st year (and 1 year has gone by when
you reach the END of that year)

So on the year marked 100, you're in the 100th year (and 100 years have gone
by when you reach the END of that year)

So on the year marked 1000, you're in the 1000th year (and 1000 years have
gone by when you reach the END of that year)

So on the year marked 2000, you're in the 2000th year (and 2000 years have
gone by when you reach the ***END*** of that year)

So when you get to 01/01/2000, 2000 years have not passed until the year has
ended, thus 01/01/2001 is the completion of 2000 years and the start of the
new millennium :)

Did anyone follow that?

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Lance.

>On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.

Hmm... I always wondered why I couldn't write 0 in Roman Numerals.

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Ken wrote in message <37B3CC2E.67A1B966@pacbell.net>...
>
>
>Lance Birch wrote:
>>

>>
>> No, all I was saying is that in our current date system, according to the
>> date it will start on 01/01/2001 not 01/01/2000 (because there was no
year
>> 0).
>
>  Why would you need a year zero ? Going by the historical accounts the
moment
>that Christ was born would have been the first second of the first minute
of
>the first hour of the first day of year one. That is the only reference
point
>you need to validate the beginning of a period of time.
>
>On a side note: The Romans had no mathmatical concept for the term zero.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
>http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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From: Nieminen Mika
Subject: Re: Visions of "BLESS YOU!"
Date: 13 Aug 1999 06:34:41
Message: <37b3f4c1@news.povray.org>
Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
:   Why would you need a year zero ?

  If this millenium started at year 1000 and ends at year 1999, that would
mean that this millenium has 1000 years but the previous millenium had only
999 years (since it started from year 1, not year 0).

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