Can you please stop sending your articles in MIME format and without any
vcards or anything? Just plain text. Thanks.
  Here is quoted all the text of your article which is completely useless
and completely irrelevant. A total of 24 lines:

: This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
: --------------F5C7A739E1789723D1719CD4
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

: --------------F5C7A739E1789723D1719CD4
: Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;
:  name="mgiwer.vcf"
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: Content-Description: Card for Matt Giwer
: Content-Disposition: attachment;
:  filename="mgiwer.vcf"

: begin:vcard 
: n:Giwer;Matt 
: tel;cell:813-694-3998
: tel;work:813-972-2574
: x-mozilla-html:FALSE
: org:Images Incarnate
: version:2.1
: email;internet:mgi### [at] giwersworldorg
: title:Owner
: adr;quoted-printable:;;14205 Nebraska Ave=0D=0A#27;Tampa;FL;33613;USA
: fn:Matt Giwer
: end:vcard

: --------------F5C7A739E1789723D1719CD4--


  Why don't you make just a regular signature like anyone else?

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Nieminen Mika wrote:

>   Can you please stop sending your articles in MIME format and without any
> vcards or anything? Just plain text. Thanks.
>   Here is quoted all the text of your article which is completely useless
> and completely irrelevant. A total of 24 lines:

	I look at my own messages and see no such thing. Why don't you
just adjust your reader not to show the message headers? Every
message has provision for at least 1k worth of header I think but
I would have to check the RFC to be sure. 

>   Why don't you make just a regular signature like anyone else?

	I see plenty of Vcards around here. Why are you singling me out
for your attentions? 

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>Nieminen Mika wrote:

	BTW TIN is a very primitive newsreader. You might consider
upgrading.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:34:29 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------130CED139398AB15E1C28502
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

^^^ Those aren't headers.  They're MIME Multipart separators.

>	I look at my own messages and see no such thing. Why don't you
>just adjust your reader not to show the message headers? Every

A) That's because you're using a web browser instead of a news reader.
B) Those aren't headers.  Even if you turn off headers, the useless MIME
   crap shows up.  MIME is okay in binaries groups, because we expect it
   there, but it is out of place in a text-only group.  

I'm usually happy to just ignore it, but when people are wrong and then 
get belligerent about their right to be wrong rather than solving the 
problem, it starts to bother me.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:53:04 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
>	BTW TIN is a very primitive newsreader. You might consider
>upgrading.

This I can agree with.  Warp, consider trn.  tin doesn't do real
threading.  Or better, strn so you can score MIME headers down like
I do. :)

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Ron Parker wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:34:29 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >--------------130CED139398AB15E1C28502
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> ^^^ Those aren't headers.  They're MIME Multipart separators.
> 
> >       I look at my own messages and see no such thing. Why don't you
> >just adjust your reader not to show the message headers? Every
> 
> A) That's because you're using a web browser instead of a news reader.
> B) Those aren't headers.  Even if you turn off headers, the useless MIME
>    crap shows up.  MIME is okay in binaries groups, because we expect it
>    there, but it is out of place in a text-only group.
> 
> I'm usually happy to just ignore it, but when people are wrong and then
> get belligerent about their right to be wrong rather than solving the
> problem, it starts to bother me.

I think vcards are stupid. I have been seeing them since I started on the
net a little over a year ago and in all that time I have only looked at
one of them. That was simply out of curiosiy. Since that time I have hated
them because I see the mime attachment icon at the top of the message post
and think there might actualy be something attached that is worth looking
at. Imagine my dissapointment when I find out it's just another stupid
vcard. Having both a sig and a vcard is redundant and not really called for
in my opinion.

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Ken Tyler

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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
...and then came the Vcard and humanity was destroyed by it ! <me>

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Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
: tin doesn't do real threading.

  You are wrong:

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~warp/tin1.gif
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~warp/tin2.gif
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~warp/tin3.gif

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On 10 Aug 1999 11:49:47 -0400, Nieminen Mika wrote:
>Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
>: tin doesn't do real threading.
>
>  You are wrong:

I have never been so happy to be wrong in my life.  It's "common knowledge"
that tin doesn't do references-based threading, but from your pictures it's
apparent that the common knowledge, like most such, is wrong.  In that case,
stick with tin.  It's far better than anything Netscape will ever produce.

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Ron Parker wrote:

>  It's far better than anything Netscape will ever produce.

  I personally like Netscape and resent the implications you are making about
my preferred choice of software. Had you said the same about Internet Exporer
I would have happily agreed with you but since this was not the case you have
some explaining to do Sir. Heck I have never even heard of Tin until reading
this thread so it's likely not all that great or it would be have seen wider
usage from the masses by now. No I don't see it as a serious threat to the
likes of a great program like Netscape now or in the near future. Just is
not going to happen if you want my opinion on the subject. In fact it will
probably go the way of the Macintosh system which can't possibly last much
longer either. Doomed I say ! They are all doomed. Viva la Netscape !
Viva la Netscape ! Viva la Netscape ! Viva la Netscape ! Viva la Netscape !

-- 
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See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
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On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:14:47 -0700, Ken wrote:
>
>
>Ron Parker wrote:
>
>>  It's far better than anything Netscape will ever produce.
>
>  I personally like Netscape and resent the implications you are making about
>my preferred choice of software. Had you said the same about Internet Exporer
>I would have happily agreed with you but since this was not the case you have
>some explaining to do Sir.

Watch me not take the bait.

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