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My browser can use html; those of many others cannot. At first I thought it
was only the Luddites who were emailing me to complain that their stone-age
browsers weren't able to handle html. Then I realized that I was guilty of
Micro-____-ism: inconveniencing others to accomodate my bells and whistles,
and calling it progress. I later viewed it as a courtesy to the group not to
//resist
//resist
//resist the temptaiton to underline and boldface the next phrase with html
codes
*emphasize*
//whew, that was close!!
a word in every paragraph if it made things difficult for some friends with
outdated or no-frills browsers.
Matt Giwer wrote:
> Margus Ramst wrote:
>
> > What can a vcard do that a sig can't, anyway?
>
> I thought no one would ever ask.
>
> For me it is a lack of annoyance. I appreciate them. What does
> annoy me to no end is exactly the same sig words over and over
> and over. And the more clever the faster the annoyance increases.
>
> From the BBS days, one of the main selling points of the offline
> readers was rotating sigs.
>
> The Vcard is a different solution by encapsulating all the sig
> words, read them if you wish and only if you wish.
>
> There have always been problems of backwards campatibility of
> new ideas with old.
>
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>
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworld org>
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
>
> Nobody here appreciates your abuse of this server or them. If you don't
> have anything constructive to say, kindly packup and leave. I'm sure the
> owners of this server won't take kindly to your abuse of it or other
> people...
To judge from the way Matt gets away with saying "if you don't like my
lousy netiquette, filter me", the owners of this server don't seem to
care.
I wonder if I could get Usenet posters to use this guy's email address
as spam bait. After all, if he doesn't want to receive all that spam, he
can just filter it.. no skin off his nose. :P
-Xplo
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : Have you considered the fact that some children do read this
> : newsgroup?
> Yes, it seems that there's at least one child reading this newsgroup: You.
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
If you do not like my posts, at least have the courtesy to shut
up. If you do not want to be boethered by them, filter them out.
I do not feel myself graced by complainers reading them.
Is this clear enough?
And if you can not have your way by everyone complying with your
wishes you are going to hurl insults, upon what do you base your
moral superiority save your love of your ancient tin?
--
<blink>---please--don't---</blink>
http://www.giwersworld.org/artiii/
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
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Xplo Eristotle wrote:
> To judge from the way Matt gets away with saying "if you don't like my
> lousy netiquette, filter me", the owners of this server don't seem to
> care.
"Filter" is the power of any user.
And IF the owners tell me about it, fine. Then I can choose to
change or not to participate. That will be MY choice.
Your choice is to filter or not to filter. You read my posts on
my terms, not yours.
> I wonder if I could get Usenet posters to use this guy's email address
> as spam bait. After all, if he doesn't want to receive all that spam, he
> can just filter it.. no skin off his nose. :P
Not that is an interesting threat and your email addr as
instigtator is quite interesting. And your post is forwarded to
your ISP.
If I do not comply with the dicatations of mere users of this
you folks are going to get me spammed.
Let me tell you this, boy. IF that happens, you all will regret
it. And I can do it in a heartbeat. And I will not do one direct
thing.
Are petty little Hilters going to try to enforce your will on
everyone else or are you going to grow up and join the human
race?
You newcomers should never think you know what the internet is
all about.
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
> : As a counterexample I offer Warp's sig. >:)
> At least my sig can be posted without multipart mime-encoding...
Is that a good thing or an old fart stick in the mud position?
> And anyways, it's a good signature. It has my nick. Twice. ;)
And that is a good thing? To post something as a sig that only
those familar with obscure legal but unprofession C code can read
if they want to waste the time?
Please explain why and exercise in obscurity is a good thing.
Yes, you are very clever. Yes you are a horrible example of the
art of programming.
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On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:35:39 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------353C53C99B3BCF3BB8CA77D4
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>Ron Parker wrote:
>
>> Just because some idiot at Nutscrape doesn't understand USENET
>> culture doesn't mean you have to meekly follow along.
>
> When .com domains were permitted, internet culture began a
>permanent change that will never turn back.
Learn some history, then come tell me about the Internet. If you
can find me. It wasn't .com that changed the world, it was aol.com
and netscape.com in particular. And it wasn't for the better.
> I am hardly sympathetic to people who try to turn back the clock
>by claiming a company with maybe 40% of the installed market
>doesn't understand. And the other big chunck of the installed
>market is Free Agent. Shall the world go backwards because
>universities have not paid to move forward?
Bzzzt. trn is in the #2 spot, with almost as many users as Nutscrape.
In most non-alt groups, the proportion is higher for trn.
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
> : The Vcard is a different solution by encapsulating all the sig
> : words, read them if you wish and only if you wish.
> Only if you use certain brwosers to read the news.
Variety is something we cherish in the modern world. Only
Communists and Nazis said everyone had to be the same.
And you have a filter. USE IT!
> : There have always been problems of backwards campatibility of
> : new ideas with old.
> That's like saying that windows sucks because it can't run unix programs.
> Come on. Get a life.
Use your filter to stop reading me instead of trying to play
hitlerite dictator. FILTER! FILTER! FILTER! And go away.
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
What a horrible example of programming. And BORING!
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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> My browser can use html; those of many others cannot. At first I thought it
> was only the Luddites who were emailing me to complain that their stone-age
> browsers weren't able to handle html. Then I realized that I was guilty of
> Micro-____-ism: inconveniencing others to accomodate my bells and whistles,
> and calling it progress. I later viewed it as a courtesy to the group not to
I am inconviencing no one with their high powered newsreaders.
They can all filter me out. If they choose to be inconvenienced
they have no business complaining.
If they WANT to read my posts then they put up with the
inconvenience.
So far I have been told there are all of exactly THREE people
who have a problem.
I do not care if no one reads what I post.
If you want to understand this all, go read The Fountainhead and
Atlas Shrugged.
How else explain my being "given a chance" to post without the
format they demand. Was that so nice of him in response to saying
FILTER?
Some clown with an anal fixation knowing children are reading
this wants to insert pages of the RFC because IN HIS OPINION not
the committee's it is non-compliant. Is that not cute?
And let me ask in general, how long these folks have been into
computers, programming, the ARPAnet? I have 32 years in October
and it would have been 34 years except I turned down a job offer
at Oak Ridge to finish college. Anyone here want to play, "match
the credentials"?
I would rather this whole thing drop and folks with those highly
superior newsreaders just use their filters. If the newsgroup
owners contact me to the contrary that is a different issue. And
then my above choice.
But I really do not like users presuming to dicate to other
users based upon their own choice of software and their own
arrogance.
Any questions?
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Nick Portelli wrote:
> I'd hate to offend anyone, but aren't you the people who get all annoyed
> when a thread gets way off topic? Well this is off topic. Take your
> signatures and fight elsewhere.
I wish they would but I am not one to put up with rude and
arrogant.
Does this post bother you? Not the content, the format.
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Matt, I was pretty much ignoring this spat until I noticed that threat. I
agree that it is way out of line and you should protect yourself as best you
can. I can't believe someone would do something like that over one KB of
what, to them, is text.
Just goes to show you that road rage is not all on the road. We must now
drive defensively on the Information Highway. To carry a trite allusion even
further, many who drive '68 Datsuns resent those who drive SUV's and have to
do something to be able to look down on them. Info-terrorism is going a
little too far.
Until now I have not looked at your v-card, and I just now compiled "Warp"'s
sig... not a big deal either way. But as a libertarian I feel that both of
you should carefully do exactly what you want to do and then I will make
plans to do things on my end as a result of that. Unless you send code that
is invasive like a virus, folk should learn to deal.
Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote in message
news:37B17912.2590D3CE@giwersworld.org...
> Xplo Eristotle wrote:
>
> > To judge from the way Matt gets away with saying "if you don't like my
> > lousy netiquette, filter me", the owners of this server don't seem to
> > care.
>
> "Filter" is the power of any user.
>
> And IF the owners tell me about it, fine. Then I can choose to
> change or not to participate. That will be MY choice.
>
> Your choice is to filter or not to filter. You read my posts on
> my terms, not yours.
>
> > I wonder if I could get Usenet posters to use this guy's email address
> > as spam bait. After all, if he doesn't want to receive all that spam, he
> > can just filter it.. no skin off his nose. :P
>
> Not that is an interesting threat and your email addr as
> instigtator is quite interesting. And your post is forwarded to
> your ISP.
>
> If I do not comply with the dicatations of mere users of this
> you folks are going to get me spammed.
>
> Let me tell you this, boy. IF that happens, you all will regret
> it. And I can do it in a heartbeat. And I will not do one direct
> thing.
>
> Are petty little Hilters going to try to enforce your will on
> everyone else or are you going to grow up and join the human
> race?
>
> You newcomers should never think you know what the internet is
> all about.
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