Well, I was leaving it open for other people more experienced (and as you
can see they've all jumped in like I expected them to).

But:  Meshes, Bicubic Patches, Some use of Isosurface (would require the
patch though), Shearing and warping of a normal height field with a matrix
(although I don't know enough about them any more), convert a height field
to a mesh and edit it externally, combine height fields in such a way that
you could have an inverse height field on top to make the overhangs...

OK, that's all I can think of right now.

--
Lance.


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Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> Well, I was leaving it open for other people more experienced (and as you
> can see they've all jumped in like I expected them to).
> 
> But:  Meshes, Bicubic Patches, Some use of Isosurface (would require the
> patch though), Shearing and warping of a normal height field with a matrix
> (although I don't know enough about them any more), convert a height field
> to a mesh and edit it externally, combine height fields in such a way that
> you could have an inverse height field on top to make the overhangs...
> 
> OK, that's all I can think of right now.
> 
> --
> Lance.
> 
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone


  An idea for a new utility. A height field generator that uses bicubic
patches. After the initial shape is established you can take the patch
object into a program like spatch and make final adjustments to your
surface topography such as flattening areas for road beds, pulling out
cliffs, etc.

No I am not volunteering to write such a montser either. It was a fleeting
thought that got the better of me.


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I've already written a converted...but it isn't perfect.  I'd have to
figure out the sPatch format however.  Also due to the limitations of
BPatches (ie 4x4) you lose some data in the conversion unless you want
massive numbers of patches.

Steve


Ken wrote:
> 
> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > Well, I was leaving it open for other people more experienced (and as you
> > can see they've all jumped in like I expected them to).
> >
> > But:  Meshes, Bicubic Patches, Some use of Isosurface (would require the
> > patch though), Shearing and warping of a normal height field with a matrix
> > (although I don't know enough about them any more), convert a height field
> > to a mesh and edit it externally, combine height fields in such a way that
> > you could have an inverse height field on top to make the overhangs...
> >
> > OK, that's all I can think of right now.
> >
> > --
> > Lance.
> >
> > ---
> > For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> > The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> 
>   An idea for a new utility. A height field generator that uses bicubic
> patches. After the initial shape is established you can take the patch
> object into a program like spatch and make final adjustments to your
> surface topography such as flattening areas for road beds, pulling out
> cliffs, etc.
> 
> No I am not volunteering to write such a montser either. It was a fleeting
> thought that got the better of me.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Stephen Lavedas wrote:
> 
> I've already written a converted...but it isn't perfect.  I'd have to
> figure out the sPatch format however.  Also due to the limitations of
> BPatches (ie 4x4) you lose some data in the conversion unless you want
> massive numbers of patches.
> 
> Steve

It does sound interesting none the less. I take it from the tone of your
message that it currently is not for the inexperienced Pov user, is best
used by the programs developer and the more adventurous, seasoned, Povray
veterans.

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In reality I'm pretty sure it is best used by me...it is just some C++
code that CAN under a few tweaks do what you ask.  I would be willing to
work on it, but I'm going to need to bite the bullet and actually start
reading TGA files.  I realize it isn't actually too difficult, I just
have to do it...Converting to OCT and then running the program isn't
really a valid option.  (If you'll recall my cylidrical and spherical
height field mapping util converted them to bpatches first.  BTW, there
is an example of a flat height field out of patches on my Web site at
http://www.people.Virginia.EDU/~swl7m/Images/BPatchfield.jpg
The patches aren't joined correctly (so as to reduce the lines you can
see) but it is a proof of concept.  Let me write a new util and see how
it turns out.  In all probability it will be a DOS command line utility.

Steve
(It will be in C++ so it should be REASONABLY portable...I may even make
a linux compile)


Ken wrote:
> 
> Stephen Lavedas wrote:
> >
> > I've already written a converted...but it isn't perfect.  I'd have to
> > figure out the sPatch format however.  Also due to the limitations of
> > BPatches (ie 4x4) you lose some data in the conversion unless you want
> > massive numbers of patches.
> >
> > Steve
> 
> It does sound interesting none the less. I take it from the tone of your
> message that it currently is not for the inexperienced Pov user, is best
> used by the programs developer and the more adventurous, seasoned, Povray
> veterans.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Or by the maniacs who just want to try and see what the results will be :-)
(yes, pick it apart.....)


Ken wrote:
> 
> Stephen Lavedas wrote:
> >
> > I've already written a converted...but it isn't perfect.  I'd have to
> > figure out the sPatch format however.  Also due to the limitations of
> > BPatches (ie 4x4) you lose some data in the conversion unless you want
> > massive numbers of patches.
> >
> > Steve
> 
> It does sound interesting none the less. I take it from the tone of your
> message that it currently is not for the inexperienced Pov user, is best
> used by the programs developer and the more adventurous, seasoned, Povray
> veterans.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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//Spider
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
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Oh GOD no...no one who can actually READ my code will ever see it...it
is UUUUUUUUUUGGGGLLLY!

Steve


Spider wrote:
> 
> Or by the maniacs who just want to try and see what the results will be :-)
> (yes, pick it apart.....)
> 
> Ken wrote:
> >
> > Stephen Lavedas wrote:
> > >
> > > I've already written a converted...but it isn't perfect.  I'd have to
> > > figure out the sPatch format however.  Also due to the limitations of
> > > BPatches (ie 4x4) you lose some data in the conversion unless you want
> > > massive numbers of patches.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > It does sound interesting none the less. I take it from the tone of your
> > message that it currently is not for the inexperienced Pov user, is best
> > used by the programs developer and the more adventurous, seasoned, Povray
> > veterans.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler
> >
> > mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
> 
> --
> //Spider
>         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
>                 "Marian"
>         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Hehehe, I can guess, I'm a coder :-))

Actually, take a peek at :
http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ 
--> The Archive 
--> --> Snow
This is an example of code differences.. 
compare the originnal to the one I rewrote :-)
(Hmm, the original might be  called obfuscated KenCode or somethings)



Stephen Lavedas wrote:
> 
> Oh GOD no...no one who can actually READ my code will ever see it...it
> is UUUUUUUUUUGGGGLLLY!
> 
> Steve
> 
> Spider wrote:
> >
> > Or by the maniacs who just want to try and see what the results will be :-)
> > (yes, pick it apart.....)
> >
> > Ken wrote:
> > >
> > > Stephen Lavedas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've already written a converted...but it isn't perfect.  I'd have to
> > > > figure out the sPatch format however.  Also due to the limitations of
> > > > BPatches (ie 4x4) you lose some data in the conversion unless you want
> > > > massive numbers of patches.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > > It does sound interesting none the less. I take it from the tone of your
> > > message that it currently is not for the inexperienced Pov user, is best
> > > used by the programs developer and the more adventurous, seasoned, Povray
> > > veterans.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Tyler
> > >
> > > mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
> >
> > --
> > //Spider
> >         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> > What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> >                 "Marian"
> >         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

-- 
//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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