Johannes Hubert schrieb in Nachricht <36cd25da.0@news.povray.org>...
>Tell this to the poor people that had to endure Rudi Carrell (spelling?)
for
>decades in german TV, who even after those decades still sounds dutch.
>Pronounce everything right? Yeah, sure!
>

I think Mr. Carell could learn to speak German without an accent if he
really wanted too. But his accent is part of his TV image. He doesn't want
to. I do. Most of my patients don't even know I'm from the Netherlands,
because I don't have a Dutch accent (unless I'm forcing it). This is not
bragging, this is really true. I also know some Germans (from my University
in the Netherlands) who can perfectly speak accent-free Dutch, so it's
certainly not only we Dutch who can do that.

What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
consonants. The Germans don't have a consonant, which is pronounced like a
"v" in English (that's the reason why the home computer Vic 20 was called VC
20 in Germany). They don't have the combination like "ui" in Dutch. The

French can). That's what I meant. I was not talking about accents. I don't
think my language or it's speakers are  superior, but it just happens to
have a few more sounds than most others.

But somehow we're getting more and more off topic.

BTW, this looks like I'm some kind of fanatic about my language. I'm
definitely not. To most people from outside the Netherlands, Dutch doesn't
sound like a language, but like a severe cold.
--
Rzdy Velthuis

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Marc Schimmler schrieb in Nachricht
<36CD3E4A.E6DC3771@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
>Phoenix wrote:
>>
>
>> How about Linda de Mol?
>>
>
>As terrible as Rudy Carrel or Harry Winfurt (?).

Not really. Wijnvoord has a bad accent and a horrible grammar. De Mol is
learning more and more. Her grammar is even quite good. Carell has a very
bad accent, but good grammar. (Marijke) Amado is like Wijnvoord. etc.etc.

>But I think they just fake this dialect in a way because it is so
>succesful in the german TV.

That is abolutely true. They would lose a lot of their appeal to the German
public if they wouldn't sound so foreign (I think most Germans think the
accent is cute, just like a French or Swedish accent).

>I have some friends in the Netherlands one of they a german that lives
>there now for about 15 years. She can't speak german anymore. :-)

I live in Germany since 1985. I can certainly still speak Dutch, but I must
admit, I make more grammatical mistakes speaking and writing Dutch, than
when I was younger.

>I can't support the oppion of Rudy but I guess as long as I can't speak
>Dutch this nothing that really matters. ;-)

LOL. Of course, your opinions counts too.
--
Rudy

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Phoenix schrieb in Nachricht ...

>People from The Hague do not count as Dutch. Neither do people from the
>village of Zwaagwesteinde...    >8->

Where I come from (Noord-Brabant), people from the province of  Limburg are
also ruled out (I went to highschool/gymnasium in Weert, Limburg <g>).
--
Rudy

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Bob Hughes schrieb in Nachricht <36CD50BA.3C25F540@aol.com>...

>P.S. good thing this is in the povray.general newsgroup! I'm just glad
>to see a healthy thread of posts not reffering to "z" or "s" in words
>and those html flamings.

"referring", not "reffering" <vbg>!

(I know, I lost. Correcting someone's spelling is not considered Netiquette.
Just kidding, referring to the old "z" and "s" issues - BTW, I once had a
program which allowed both spellings of "disk" and "disc". It also accepted
"key" and "cey" heheh).

--
Rudy Velthuis

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Oh, I was a bit off in my guess of 0 degrees 0 minutes West longitude,
53 degrees 0 minutes North latitude. Thanks Matthew. Think that
translates to around 95 miles +/- 10.
Now for the *real* reason I'm posting here again.
I've finished a preliminary POV World Map (39K) at:

 http://members.aol.com/inversez/private/lpovwrld.jpg

Tough to get the hemispheres situated well enough for all, and the
"pins" pointing out the locations are as good as I've come up with so
far. I may change the entire look of it later but for now I'll build
upon this one as other coordinates arrive.
I realize maybe a flat map might be more suitable but there's nothing
good about the look of it.
I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
post to this thread. But again, please do email me if you will and I'll
apply these to my later world map images. However, and this is
important, this may all come to an end sooner than later (maybe not
though) so no guarantees on the later images, also I probably will
adhere to more my own ideas as to how to do these for reasons already
realized while making this first one. Keep that in mind as well, you can
always make your own you know... Thanks all.


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> 0 degrees 35 minutes West longitude, 51 degrees 14 minutes North latitude
> 
> Matt

-- 
 omniVERSE: beyond the universe
  http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
 mailto:inv### [at] aolcom?PoV

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Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cdf440.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
>languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
>consonants.

Hah! Pronounce this:



I'd really LOVE to hear what you come up with :)

newsreader displays it correctly, it's like an "o" with ~ on top). As far as
I know only Russian (and some closely related languages) has something

I won't even mention all kinds of African languages and what not.

BTW, the sentence is total bullsh<beeeep>t. Please don't ask for a
translation...

Margus

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Margus Ramst schrieb in Nachricht <36cdf901.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Rudy Velthuis wrote in message <36cdf440.0@news.povray.org>...
>>
>>What I really meant is, that Dutch (and propably French) is one of the few
>>languages which incorporates all known combinations of vowels and
>>consonants.
>
>Hah! Pronounce this:
>

>
Hmmm... Perhaps I should rule out the more exotic languages <vbg>. African
languages use clicking sounds no one except the native speakers can
reproduce (at least at a reasonable speed). You have this weird ~o (can't
reproduce on my keyboard, but shows up correct), the Polish have this fat ll
sound (the one with the dash through it - even fatter than most Americans
pronounce their "l"s). And there are many more examples (Asian languages).

But I still think Dutch is one of the most allround languages around.
Perhaps we don't have the letter, but we propably can still pronounce it
(albeit a bit slower than you would) and reproduce it in a different
spelling.

--
Rudy

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On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:51:11 +0200, "Margus Ramst"
<mar### [at] peakeduee> wrote:

>Hah! Pronounce this:
>

>
>I'd really LOVE to hear what you come up with :)

>newsreader displays it correctly, it's like an "o" with ~ on top). As far as
>I know only Russian (and some closely related languages) has something

>I won't even mention all kinds of African languages and what not.
>
>BTW, the sentence is total bullsh<beeeep>t. Please don't ask for a
>translation...
>
>Margus


that was six years ago. Can you give an example? Also, what other
languages close to Russian do you have in mind? I am Bulgarian, and
that's pretty close.

Peter

P.S. You should probably reply by e-mail since most people here don't
have cyrillic support

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On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:32:58 +0100, eag### [at] telekabelnl (Phoenix)
wrote:

>Sietse de Ruiter, The Netherlands (Holland if you must).
>
>But since most people get serious tongue injuries trying to pronounce my 
>real name, I go by the nick of Phoenix.
>
>Phoenix

Peter Popov, Sofia, Bulgaria

How about this: my name is very common, I can think of at least 15
languages that have it, and it sounds in 15 different ways. Not to
mention that my family name , when pronounced by an English speaker,
sounds like 'Poh-pov, (the accent falling on the first, therefore the
wrong syllable,) means, in Bulgarian, "more povish" :) as "po-" is our
equivalent of "more" in English

And hey, no flames about pee-oh-vees and pohvs and so.

Regards,
Peter

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You can find your local position at :
http://164.214.2.59/gns/html/index.html


Bob Hughes heeft geschreven in bericht <36CDF51D.18A69A46@aol.com>...
.....
>I'm asking then for everyone to please send me any
>latitudinal/longitudinal coordinates (guess if you can) with a
>SUBJECT:COORDINATES to  inv### [at] aolcom   Although if someone can't
>even make a good guess, keep with the nearest large town or city as you
>post to this thread.
........


--
Met dank aan de muze met het glazen oog.

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