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Plastering works by Gilles Tran and the other Elder/Outer Gods of PovRay
(obviously Im a fan of HP Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith) in forums with
links to povray.org and the artist sites cannot hurt either.
Many folks here have done some really incredible work over the years,
everything from mathematical visualization to architecture and nature.
It is too bad we don't have their scenes to include in the samples coming
with Pov...
Ian
Bald Eagle <cre### [at] netscape net> wrote:
> [GDS|Enropy] <gdsHYPHENentropyAThotmaolDOTcom> wrote:
>
>> Whatever happens nothing will improve without old-school hard core
>> grassroots software advocacy
>
> True. I suppose folks can keep running searches for "POVRAY + ....", post
> renders in various forums, ask "was that made with POVRAY?" and post ways to do
> x, y, or z by using ... POVRAY.
>
> Show what it's good for, help others use it, make it easier to use, and help
> smooth out the learning curve for new users.
>
> Make a point about what POV-Ray can do that other graphics packages CAN'T do.
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I understand the position but if we don't actively care and do something
the community will continue to shrink, and then for what justification will
the developers continue their work? How will we attract new developers when
the original ones retire their grand effort?
There are many ways to effect change. Simply creating and posting beautiful
works which can be picked up by search engines and linked to Pov is one.
The trick is to get the engines to find them and then get people to realize
the work came from pov. Perhaps a small watermark in a corner would work,
since even in image searches people will see it came from Pov.
Ian
LanuHum <Lan### [at] yandexru> wrote:
> My opinion: Community Povray users are not interested in the popularity of
> Povray.
> I and Mr tried to talk about their work - is not willing to learn something.
> Unfortunately, I am not an 2d/3d-artist, I'm a programmer working in the narrow
> direction. I did everything that I can.
> It remains useless, but it was a big step towards the popularity of Povray.
> In the plans of developers as the popularity of the Povray can not be traced.
>
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> Plastering works by Gilles Tran and the other Elder/Outer Gods of PovRay
> (obviously Im a fan of HP Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith) in forums with
> links to povray.org and the artist sites cannot hurt either.
povray.org is looking very dated... Personally I think it gives the
impression of some very old piece of software that hasn't been updated
for decades. Which is a shame because we know that's not the case.
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[GDS|Enropy] <gdsHYPHENentropyAThotmaolDOTcom> wrote:
> I understand the position but if we don't actively care and do something
> the community will continue to shrink, and then for what justification will
> the developers continue their work? How will we attract new developers when
> the original ones retire their grand effort?
>
> There are many ways to effect change. Simply creating and posting beautiful
> works which can be picked up by search engines and linked to Pov is one.
>
> The trick is to get the engines to find them and then get people to realize
> the work came from pov. Perhaps a small watermark in a corner would work,
> since even in image searches people will see it came from Pov.
>
> Ian
>
> LanuHum <Lan### [at] yandexru> wrote:
> > My opinion: Community Povray users are not interested in the popularity of
> > Povray.
> > I and Mr tried to talk about their work - is not willing to learn something.
> > Unfortunately, I am not an 2d/3d-artist, I'm a programmer working in the narrow
> > direction. I did everything that I can.
> > It remains useless, but it was a big step towards the popularity of Povray.
> > In the plans of developers as the popularity of the Povray can not be traced.
> >
A lot of exclusive and beautiful work done by users Povray.
Many of the works are unique, but are created using text editors.
People used their own software solutions.
Now very few who want to use a text editor to create 3d-scenes.
Fate Povray in the hands of existing developers. Without them, it is difficult
to change something.
I have seen the future Povray: animation with textures, caustics, blob, CSG,
DF3, cloth, rigid and soft body.
But I have a little knowledge to understand the source code.
I could not write a single patch to speed up the exchange of data between the
Blender-3d and Povray.
I have to wait more experienced programmers who like my idea. :)
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On 11-11-2016 15:55, LanuHum wrote:
> A lot of exclusive and beautiful work done by users Povray.
> Many of the works are unique, but are created using text editors.
> People used their own software solutions.
> Now very few who want to use a text editor to create 3d-scenes.
Ah! There it is! This has been indeed one of the major complaints:
people (outside of POV-Ray) do not want to create using text editors
(any more). They consider this to be some kind of digital prehistoric
way of modelling. If you are cool you certainly do not do it that way.
We are not neanderthals any more after all. ;-)
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Ah! There it is! This has been indeed one of the major complaints:
> people (outside of POV-Ray) do not want to create using text editors
> (any more). They consider this to be some kind of digital prehistoric
> way of modelling.
That's the claim - yet while Moray and Bishop3D, etc have suffered, POV-Ray has
endured and indeed has steadily improved.
> If you are cool you certainly do not do it that way.
Society: "Be yourself."
You: {commence being yourself}
Society: "Not THAT way!!!"
> We are not neanderthals any more after all. ;-)
Oh, after 70 years, have you evolved? ;) :D
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On 11-11-2016 18:13, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>
>> Ah! There it is! This has been indeed one of the major complaints:
>> people (outside of POV-Ray) do not want to create using text editors
>> (any more). They consider this to be some kind of digital prehistoric
>> way of modelling.
>
> That's the claim - yet while Moray and Bishop3D, etc have suffered, POV-Ray has
> endured and indeed has steadily improved.
Yes, but Blender is striving for instance.
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>> If you are cool you certainly do not do it that way.
>
> Society: "Be yourself."
> You: {commence being yourself}
> Society: "Not THAT way!!!"
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>
>> We are not neanderthals any more after all. ;-)
>
> Oh, after 70 years, have you evolved? ;) :D
>
I now use my fists instead of a stone to type POV-Ray code... ;)
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 11-11-2016 15:55, LanuHum wrote:
> > A lot of exclusive and beautiful work done by users Povray.
> > Many of the works are unique, but are created using text editors.
> > People used their own software solutions.
> > Now very few who want to use a text editor to create 3d-scenes.
>
> Ah! There it is! This has been indeed one of the major complaints:
> people (outside of POV-Ray) do not want to create using text editors
> (any more). They consider this to be some kind of digital prehistoric
> way of modelling. If you are cool you certainly do not do it that way.
> We are not neanderthals any more after all. ;-)
>
> --
> Thomas
I will not argue.
I did not go for full automation of the way.
However, kicking to the moon is not reached. Even if very much to believe in
yourself. Conservatism - not the way of the future. Yes! You're a talented
artist!
How many people you teach work in Povray?
I'm not talking about the forum.
I do not speak ill of the Povray and its users.
I wish you success!
I say that you do not want to evolve with the times. You do not want to adopt
modern techniques.
Talk about some Moray (50 kilobytes of source code)
Folder Blender in Linux - 380 megabytes. Problem: y instead of z, z instead of y
:))))
Keys for any parameter animation textures, vertex keys; bones; dozens of
modifiers and deformers ... plus your manually code or
your manually code plus keys for any parameter animation textures, vertex keys;
bones; dozens of modifiers and deformers...
It all can not help you and your students?
You will not be surprised by a man who shaves with an ax?
:)))
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> I now use my fists instead of a stone to type POV-Ray code... ;)
Showoff.
I often get stuck using my forehead. :|
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On 11/11/2016 8:04 PM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
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>> I now use my fists instead of a stone to type POV-Ray code... ;)
>
> Showoff.
>
> I often get stuck using my forehead. :|
>
>
If we are going to play that game.
I can type with my fingers and thumb scrunched into a point.
(The user keyboards, of the phototypesetting machines I worked on in the
70s, were made for people who had worked on hot metal machines. They
were stiff.)
--
Regards
Stephen
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