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in news:3c8544ac@news.povray.org Harold Baize wrote:
> "POV-Ray: Unlimited Computer Graphics Power"
"POV-Ray: How To Use Every Bit ..."
Ingo
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On 8 Mar 2002 02:22:42 -0500, ingo <ing### [at] home nl> wrote:
> "POV-Ray: How To Use Every Bit ..."
POV-Ray: How To Pray For Amazing Ray ...
ABX
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> On 8 Mar 2002 02:22:42 -0500, ingo <ing### [at] homenl> wrote:
>> "POV-Ray: How To Use Every Bit ..."
>
> POV-Ray: How To Pray For Amazing Ray ...
POV-Ray: When someone asks if you're a god, you say YES!*
*see ghostbusters
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Hmmm, I bought three or four Waite Group books, but none
had "Bible" in the title. I liked "Image Lab", that had nice scientific
and creative "mad scientist" associations.
Here is another reason not to use the Bible title. Typically
a "Bible" text is produced for something the buyer is already
using, but the reality is that most people who are potential
buyers have never heard of POV-Ray, so they would not
see a need for a bible. Rather, they might be interested in a
comprehensive introduction. Somehow it needs to convey
both the all encompassing definitive information source of a
bible, yet be novice friendly.
Maybe we could have a title contest :-)
Harolddd
"Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
news:3c883f39$1@news.povray.org...
> If you do some research on Amazon you'll find that I was the first
publisher
> to use the word Bible in a computer book. Its almost synonymous with Waite
> Group. I also pioneered the How To line, as well as Primers, Papers,
Tricks
> of the ___ Masters, ____ Creations, Playhouses, SuperBibles, ____ Lab,
> Construction Kit, Interactive Courses.
>
> I still like Bible. But I would be open to something different and more
> reverent like POV Ray: From Hell and Back, or maybe POV Ray New Testament
:)
>
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If you want to see almost all the Waite Group titles check out
www.mitchwaite.com and click on the Books icon. There are tons of Bibles
listed.
Your definition of what a Bible is in the technical sense is wrong. Bibles
are compendiums of everything, they satisfy all level of readers, from
beginners to advanced users. Spend some time at the computer book section of
Borders and you'll see my point. I like the Bible title, it seems to sum up
our outline better than anything I have thought of so far. And I have not
heard one good reason so far not to use it. But I am always open to new
title ideas so a contest would be fun.
Mitch
"Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
news:3c88fdcc@news.povray.org...
>
> Hmmm, I bought three or four Waite Group books, but none
> had "Bible" in the title. I liked "Image Lab", that had nice scientific
> and creative "mad scientist" associations.
>
> Here is another reason not to use the Bible title. Typically
> a "Bible" text is produced for something the buyer is already
> using, but the reality is that most people who are potential
> buyers have never heard of POV-Ray, so they would not
> see a need for a bible. Rather, they might be interested in a
> comprehensive introduction. Somehow it needs to convey
> both the all encompassing definitive information source of a
> bible, yet be novice friendly.
>
> Maybe we could have a title contest :-)
>
> Harolddd
>
> "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> news:3c883f39$1@news.povray.org...
> > If you do some research on Amazon you'll find that I was the first
> publisher
> > to use the word Bible in a computer book. Its almost synonymous with
Waite
> > Group. I also pioneered the How To line, as well as Primers, Papers,
> Tricks
> > of the ___ Masters, ____ Creations, Playhouses, SuperBibles, ____ Lab,
> > Construction Kit, Interactive Courses.
> >
> > I still like Bible. But I would be open to something different and more
> > reverent like POV Ray: From Hell and Back, or maybe POV Ray New
Testament
> :)
> >
>
>
>
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:39:21 +0000, Mitchell Waite wrote:
> If you want to see almost all the Waite Group titles check out
> www.mitchwaite.com and click on the Books icon. There are tons of Bibles
> listed.
>
> Your definition of what a Bible is in the technical sense is wrong.
> Bibles are compendiums of everything, they satisfy all level of readers,
> from beginners to advanced users. Spend some time at the computer book
> section of Borders and you'll see my point. I like the Bible title, it
> seems to sum up our outline better than anything I have thought of so
> far. And I have not heard one good reason so far not to use it. But I am
> always open to new title ideas so a contest would be fun.
i would like make first vote for 'povray bible', that way when the book
is published i get to gloat over the name to anyone who will listen :P
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Mitchell Waite wrote:
>
> If you want to see almost all the Waite Group titles check out
> www.mitchwaite.com and click on the Books icon. There are tons of Bibles
> listed.
Only for those having flash installed...
> Your definition of what a Bible is in the technical sense is wrong. Bibles
> are compendiums of everything, they satisfy all level of readers, from
> beginners to advanced users. Spend some time at the computer book section of
> Borders and you'll see my point. I like the Bible title, it seems to sum up
> our outline better than anything I have thought of so far. And I have not
> heard one good reason so far not to use it. But I am always open to new
> title ideas so a contest would be fun.
>
I agree, but I see two problems with a title involving 'Bible':
- the possible indignation of buyers because of the religious implication.
This should also be seen under the aspect that the Povray community is
very international and such a title would not represent this very well.
- 'Bible' implies completeness to some extend. This is something that
should be kept in mind and would have to be checked when the book is
written: Does it cover all important aspects? Someone buying a 'bible'
would not like to be told that certain important things are simply not in
the book.
Both things not necessarily mean the book should not be named 'bible', but
such a decision should not be made without serious considerations.
Christoph
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TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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I consider myself a very spiritual person, so keep that in mind as you read
this. Indignation of the religious implication of the word Bible is
nonsense. The religious Bible is called the Holy Bible. The word Bible
existed before the Holy Bible. Your argument is about 30 years old and has
never been a problem. I have NEVER in my 25 years of publishing heard ANYONE
complain about the word Bible in a book title EXCEPT a few right wing
fundamentalists. When I have conversed with the fundamentalists I was able
to point them to Amazon where the word Bible is used for books covering
everything from Wine to Sewing. If someone in the POV Ray team has a real
problem with Bible they haven't told me about it yet, and we have been
conversing for sometime about the book in a private list. Trust me, if we
believe in the same God, he will not be offended if I use the word Bible in
a book that illuminates people as long as I don't try and say it was
"inspired" by the same God.
"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:3C8### [at] gmxde...
>
>
> Mitchell Waite wrote:
> >
> > If you want to see almost all the Waite Group titles check out
> > www.mitchwaite.com and click on the Books icon. There are tons of Bibles
> > listed.
>
> Only for those having flash installed...
>
> > Your definition of what a Bible is in the technical sense is wrong.
Bibles
> > are compendiums of everything, they satisfy all level of readers, from
> > beginners to advanced users. Spend some time at the computer book
section of
> > Borders and you'll see my point. I like the Bible title, it seems to sum
up
> > our outline better than anything I have thought of so far. And I have
not
> > heard one good reason so far not to use it. But I am always open to new
> > title ideas so a contest would be fun.
> >
>
> I agree, but I see two problems with a title involving 'Bible':
>
> - the possible indignation of buyers because of the religious implication.
> This should also be seen under the aspect that the Povray community is
> very international and such a title would not represent this very well.
>
> - 'Bible' implies completeness to some extend. This is something that
> should be kept in mind and would have to be checked when the book is
> written: Does it cover all important aspects? Someone buying a 'bible'
> would not like to be told that certain important things are simply not in
> the book.
>
> Both things not necessarily mean the book should not be named 'bible', but
> such a decision should not be made without serious considerations.
>
> Christoph
>
> --
> POV-Ray tutorials, IsoWood include,
> TransSkin and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
> Last updated 21 Feb. 2002 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:07:19 -0800, Mitchell Waite wrote:
> conversing for sometime about the book in a private list. Trust me, if we
> believe in the same God, he will not be offended if I use the word Bible in
> a book that illuminates people as long as I don't try and say it was
> "inspired" by the same God.
If we believe in the same God, he might still be offended even if you say it
was inspired by a different god. :)
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Mitchell Waite wrote:
>
> [...]
> Trust me, if we
> believe in the same God, he will not be offended if I use the word Bible in
> a book that illuminates people as long as I don't try and say it was
> "inspired" by the same God.
I think you understood me wrong, my concerns were not about the title
being offensive to christians but about it being not very appealing to
people of different religious beliefs.
Christoph
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