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From: And
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 14 Jan 2016 10:40:00
Message: <web.5697c0ac9e01a744c19607580@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 13-1-2016 16:02, And wrote:
> > I made a picture today.
> >
> > There is many thoughts in my head recently. I thought what will happen if we die
> > then start afraid. So I cannot do many things these days.
> >
>
> This is a very beautiful image indeed.
>

Thank you!

> Norbert mentioned Epicurus as a way to look at death, I would add a word
> from Erasmus if I may, which I try to make my own on a daily basis:
> "work, as if you had eternal life; live, as if this is your last day".
>
Sounds like needing more practice to me.

> By work you can understand everything which occupies and interests you
> of course.
>
> --
> Thomas


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 14 Jan 2016 12:00:01
Message: <web.5697d32d9e01a74439ac2aa00@news.povray.org>
"And" <49341109@ntnu.edu.tw> wrote:
> "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:

> > I like it - did you use subsurface lighting for the mulberry?
> >
> Yes.

Perhaps its a simple material, but perhaps not...
I assume you are using global illumination only without a conventional light
source. Please would you describe the material and the scale of the spheres
constituting the mulberry?


> Maybe the fear partly due from my personality. I'm a silent man. And when I
> think that everyone will die one day, I'm afraid that I will die suddenly. I
> don't give enough meaning with my diary life. So I scared too little
> preparation.
>
> In my country, many people believe that we will reincarnate after our life. So
> we may come from another people, another animal, or even a stone, even a grass.
> I first feel this saying is comfort to me these days.


Hmm, looking at your domain and your post you are probably a student from Taipeh
and a buddhist. Congratulations to you if you feel this (religious,
philosophical, spiritual) crisis at young age - my age was 43, when the
awareness of mortality finally striked me and changed my life.

I'd been extremely busy afterwards in "serious" spirituality and I think there
is a common core to these traditions - liberation is possible by inner
transformation of consciousness.
That's extremely hard to reach, but it's the only goal which really counts.

So all the best to you and your way...


Norbert


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 15 Jan 2016 02:49:39
Message: <5698a493$1@news.povray.org>
On 14-1-2016 16:38, And wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 13-1-2016 16:02, And wrote:
>>> I made a picture today.
>>>
>>> There is many thoughts in my head recently. I thought what will happen if we die
>>> then start afraid. So I cannot do many things these days.
>>>
>>
>> This is a very beautiful image indeed.
>>
>
> Thank you!
>
>> Norbert mentioned Epicurus as a way to look at death, I would add a word
>> from Erasmus if I may, which I try to make my own on a daily basis:
>> "work, as if you had eternal life; live, as if this is your last day".
>>
> Sounds like needing more practice to me.

It may be indeed harder than it looks like in print and an awareness 
that grows with the years I suppose. I am not sure, but does Buddhism 
not have some similar views? In any case, it certainly means to be fully 
aware of life (and to enjoy it if we can) as we do not know the time of 
our death.

>
>> By work you can understand everything which occupies and interests you
>> of course.
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
>
>
>


-- 
Thomas


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From: And
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 15 Jan 2016 08:00:01
Message: <web.5698ec919e01a744a178ee760@news.povray.org>
"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> "And" <49341109@ntnu.edu.tw> wrote:
> > "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>
> > > I like it - did you use subsurface lighting for the mulberry?
> > >
> > Yes.
>
> Perhaps its a simple material, but perhaps not...
> I assume you are using global illumination only without a conventional light
> source.
Yes.

Please would you describe the material and the scale of the spheres
> constituting the mulberry?
>

I often use 1 unit = 1 meter, so set mm_per_unit 1000
the radii of the spheres are about 0.025.

material is composed by two layer textures and an interior:
#declare m_mulberry =
material{
    texture{
        pigment{rgb<0.45, 0.01, 0.02>}
        finish{
        ambient 0 diffuse 1
            subsurface{translucency rgb<1,1,1>*12.0}
        }
    }
    texture{
        pigment{rgbf<0.53, 0.32, 0.21, 1.0>}
        normal{bumps 0.4 scale 0.0008}
        finish{ambient 0 diffuse 1 reflection{0.01,0.91 fresnel}conserve_energy}
    }
    interior{ior 1.16}
}



> > Maybe the fear partly due from my personality. I'm a silent man. And when I
> > think that everyone will die one day, I'm afraid that I will die suddenly. I
> > don't give enough meaning with my diary life. So I scared too little
> > preparation.
> >
> > In my country, many people believe that we will reincarnate after our life. So
> > we may come from another people, another animal, or even a stone, even a grass.
> > I first feel this saying is comfort to me these days.
>
>
> Hmm, looking at your domain and your post you are probably a student from Taipeh
> and a buddhist. Congratulations to you if you feel this (religious,
> philosophical, spiritual) crisis at young age - my age was 43, when the
> awareness of mortality finally striked me and changed my life.

The e-mail is from my alma mater. I'm thirty one. In fact, I didn't rely any
religion. But it seems those thoughts will play an important role.

> I'd been extremely busy afterwards in "serious" spirituality and I think there
> is a common core to these traditions - liberation is possible by inner
> transformation of consciousness.
> That's extremely hard to reach, but it's the only goal which really counts.
>
> So all the best to you and your way...
>
>
> Norbert

Truly thank you very much.


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From: And
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 15 Jan 2016 08:05:01
Message: <web.5698ee179e01a744a178ee760@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 14-1-2016 16:38, And wrote:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> On 13-1-2016 16:02, And wrote:
> >>> I made a picture today.
> >>>
> >>> There is many thoughts in my head recently. I thought what will happen if we die
> >>> then start afraid. So I cannot do many things these days.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This is a very beautiful image indeed.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> >> Norbert mentioned Epicurus as a way to look at death, I would add a word
> >> from Erasmus if I may, which I try to make my own on a daily basis:
> >> "work, as if you had eternal life; live, as if this is your last day".
> >>
> > Sounds like needing more practice to me.
>
> It may be indeed harder than it looks like in print and an awareness
> that grows with the years I suppose. I am not sure, but does Buddhism
> not have some similar views? In any case, it certainly means to be fully
> aware of life (and to enjoy it if we can) as we do not know the time of
> our death.
>
> >
> >> By work you can understand everything which occupies and interests you
> >> of course.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Thomas

Em... because I considered that all we are born by the nature.
I feel hard to convince myself that there are eternal life, maybe.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 16 Jan 2016 02:48:56
Message: <5699f5e8@news.povray.org>
On 15-1-2016 14:03, And wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 14-1-2016 16:38, And wrote:
>>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>>> On 13-1-2016 16:02, And wrote:
>>>>> I made a picture today.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is many thoughts in my head recently. I thought what will happen if we die
>>>>> then start afraid. So I cannot do many things these days.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a very beautiful image indeed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>> Norbert mentioned Epicurus as a way to look at death, I would add a word
>>>> from Erasmus if I may, which I try to make my own on a daily basis:
>>>> "work, as if you had eternal life; live, as if this is your last day".
>>>>
>>> Sounds like needing more practice to me.
>>
>> It may be indeed harder than it looks like in print and an awareness
>> that grows with the years I suppose. I am not sure, but does Buddhism
>> not have some similar views? In any case, it certainly means to be fully
>> aware of life (and to enjoy it if we can) as we do not know the time of
>> our death.
>>
>>>
>>>> By work you can understand everything which occupies and interests you
>>>> of course.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Em... because I considered that all we are born by the nature.
> I feel hard to convince myself that there are eternal life, maybe.
>
>
I agree with you. I do not expect to live on - in whatever way - after I 
die. However, that does not frighten me at all. I consider it as an 
eternal, dreamless, sleep.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 16 Jan 2016 03:16:27
Message: <5699fc5b$1@news.povray.org>
On 1/16/2016 2:48 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I agree with you. I do not expect to live on - in whatever way - after I
> die. However, that does not frighten me at all. I consider it as an
> eternal, dreamless, sleep.
>

I hear the part just before the eternal, dreamless sleep kind of sucks tho.


Mike


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 16 Jan 2016 07:18:09
Message: <569a3501@news.povray.org>
On 16-1-2016 9:16, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/16/2016 2:48 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I agree with you. I do not expect to live on - in whatever way - after I
>> die. However, that does not frighten me at all. I consider it as an
>> eternal, dreamless, sleep.
>>
>
> I hear the part just before the eternal, dreamless sleep kind of sucks tho.

yeah... unfortunately for most people I guess. Few die quietly in their 
sleep.


-- 
Thomas


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From: And
Subject: Re: Sad mulberry
Date: 16 Jan 2016 22:35:00
Message: <web.569b0b269e01a744a178ee760@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 15-1-2016 14:03, And wrote:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> On 14-1-2016 16:38, And wrote:
> >>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >>>> On 13-1-2016 16:02, And wrote:
> >>>>> I made a picture today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is many thoughts in my head recently. I thought what will happen if we
die
> >>>>> then start afraid. So I cannot do many things these days.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a very beautiful image indeed.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>>> Norbert mentioned Epicurus as a way to look at death, I would add a word
> >>>> from Erasmus if I may, which I try to make my own on a daily basis:
> >>>> "work, as if you had eternal life; live, as if this is your last day".
> >>>>
> >>> Sounds like needing more practice to me.
> >>
> >> It may be indeed harder than it looks like in print and an awareness
> >> that grows with the years I suppose. I am not sure, but does Buddhism
> >> not have some similar views? In any case, it certainly means to be fully
> >> aware of life (and to enjoy it if we can) as we do not know the time of
> >> our death.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> By work you can understand everything which occupies and interests you
> >>>> of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thomas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thomas
> >
> > Em... because I considered that all we are born by the nature.
> > I feel hard to convince myself that there are eternal life, maybe.
> >
> >
> I agree with you. I do not expect to live on - in whatever way - after I
> die. However, that does not frighten me at all. I consider it as an
> eternal, dreamless, sleep.
>
> --
> Thomas


Ok. God bless you.


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