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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 7 Jan 2016 04:05:11
Message: <web.568e294b511c90a32b16ebf70@news.povray.org>
Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Indeed an amazing image. If you make this with a cold winter landscape,
> then I wonder what more you will make with a tropical rainforest... :-)
>
> Your skills are very good. I think (take this as a suggestion), you
> should have a look at Japanese landscaping and landscapes, and try to
> get their special plant ideas into your images. These Japanese gardens
> achieve often a very special atmosphere. And with your skills, I think,
> you could create a wide series of most beautiful and adorable nature scenes.
>
> Or even this: a landscape, transforming gradually from a wild and
> velupturous rainforest into a Japanese landscape with their typical low
> ad designed plants.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sven


Thank you for your suggestions.
Some ideas come into my mind...

Norbert


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 7 Jan 2016 10:09:04
Message: <568e7f90@news.povray.org>
Looking forward to see the visualization of these new ideas...   :-)

How long did it take you to develop the current scene above?


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 7 Jan 2016 15:25:01
Message: <web.568ec909511c90a32b16ebf70@news.povray.org>
Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Looking forward to see the visualization of these new ideas...   :-)
>
> How long did it take you to develop the current scene above?


That's difficult to determine, because some elements like sky, snow/rock texture
or the foreground tree were at hand, so I only had to collect, to arrange and to
optimize these elements.
Of course my first scenes were totally different and after about three weeks it
looked like below - some weeks later it was finished and I rendered a 8000x4500
version.
In the mean time I'd fun with my materials project and spin offs like "easy
bricks".

Norbert


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 9 Jan 2016 02:11:55
Message: <5690b2bb@news.povray.org>
Thanks. And this is another beautiful landscape. But the dark shadow
areas are purple, instead of black. At this reduced early evening or
late afternoon brightness, the shadows would be black, I think. But
otherwise: woooww!!! :-)


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From: Norbert Kern
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 9 Jan 2016 06:25:00
Message: <web.5690ed25511c90a3b221960d0@news.povray.org>
Sven Littkowski <jam### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> Thanks. And this is another beautiful landscape. But the dark shadow
> areas are purple, instead of black. At this reduced early evening or
> late afternoon brightness, the shadows would be black, I think. But
> otherwise: woooww!!! :-)


I'm sorry, but beside the top right cloudless part of the sky, there aren't any
purple pixels (less green than blue / red). I searched several minutes with
photoshop.

Most probably it's an optical illusion, because intuitively I thought you were
right.
I admit, the shadows of this test render don't seem to be dark or structured
enough, but this is due to insufficient radiosity settings.


Norbert


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 9 Jan 2016 13:14:59
Message: <56914e23@news.povray.org>
Am 09.01.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Sven Littkowski:
> Thanks. And this is another beautiful landscape. But the dark shadow
> areas are purple, instead of black. At this reduced early evening or
> late afternoon brightness, the shadows would be black, I think. But
> otherwise: woooww!!! :-)

As long as there's any trace of blue in the sky above, or any visible
clouds, you can expect shadows to be non-black.

As long as there are any illuminated mountain tops nearby, you can
expect shadows to be non-black.


Heck, even on the moon, where the surface has an albedo of no more than
5%, you can expect shadows to be non-black.


Also, make sure that your display is properly calibrated. If it isn't,
judging the appearance of images by such details as brightness of
shadows, overall hue, etc. is moot.


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 10 Jan 2016 20:47:41
Message: <569309bd@news.povray.org>
Yes, the fault might be on my side: I am using, unfortunately, one of
these flat-screens. If you watch from a slightly wrong angle, what is
supposed to be dark appears less dark but in a lighter and unrealistic

(in front), and it looks okay. Sorry. I should continue to use my older
large regular monitors...   :-)

I mean it, no joke.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 10 Jan 2016 23:10:30
Message: <56932b36@news.povray.org>
Am 11.01.2016 um 02:47 schrieb Sven Littkowski:
> Yes, the fault might be on my side: I am using, unfortunately, one of
> these flat-screens. If you watch from a slightly wrong angle, what is
> supposed to be dark appears less dark but in a lighter and unrealistic

> (in front), and it looks okay. Sorry. I should continue to use my older
> large regular monitors...   :-)
> 
> I mean it, no joke.

The problem isn't the flatscreen /per se/; some are good, some aren't.
It depends on the exact variation of the LCD technology involved.

My primary display is pretty good, it's a 24" 16:10 EIZO with inbuilt
calibration and a horrible price tag, which gives a very homogenous
colour representation across the entire screen even when I move my head
around (within reasonable limits). My secondary display, on the other
hand, is rather poor in comparison, being a 24" 16:10 EIZO as well but
with a much more affordable price tag; horizontally the colour
representation is barely uniform when sitting perfectly centered, and
vertically hues differ across the screen no matter where I place my head.

So it's really a matter of getting what you paid for. But yes, in terms
of colour management good old CRT displays still win over most anything
LCD-based. I wouldn't want to burden my desk with two 24" devices of
that type though.

Also, genuine OLEDs (as opposed to LCDs with OLED-based backlights) are
an entirely different matter; I'd expect them to be about on par with
CRTs when it comes to colour stability (in space, that is; they do
degrade over time, probably more so than CRTs, so occasional calibration
would seem mandatory).


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 11 Jan 2016 05:39:10
Message: <5693864e@news.povray.org>
Norbert Kern wrote on 01/01/2016 16.13:
> Hi,
>
> finally I completed a new image (for the last TINA CHeP round) -
> http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagenewdisplay/stills/index673.html .
>
> Norbert Kern
>
Magnificent images!
Thank you and a happy good year
;-)
Paolo


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: "near sunset"
Date: 14 Jan 2016 01:49:31
Message: <569744fb@news.povray.org>
Yes. And what most people don't know, is that older CRT monitors display
many millions of colors, while LED flatscreens display only several
thousands.

As graphic designer, I still keep my older but better CRTs... :-)


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