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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 20 Sep 2014 13:55:01
Message: <web.541dbeafefc7654267e7dca90@news.povray.org>
"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> This is looking really great, I pobably am missing some step but how exactly can
> you bend a mesh2 object in pov?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sean

If you have a proper inside vector you can bend mesh2 objects with the approach
by Chris Colefax. In this case, mesh2 objects can be handled like other CSG
objects (spheres, boxes and so on). I have done this with my snails
(http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagenewdisplay/stills/index345.html) which consists of
a mesh2 object and a blob with thousands of components. In fact I did not
understood Chris's parameters and wrote an own approach, but very similiar to
Chris, since I judged it easier to implement it by myself than to understand his
parametrisations.

@Thomas: The Mud Maid at the "Lost Gardens of Heligan" (I spend my holydays this
year very close to this garden) is a sculpture consisting of mud, clay, cement,
gras, ivy and moss and she is laying at the left side of her body to the ground,
so no much grass at the left side if standing;-)

Best regards,
Michael


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 21 Sep 2014 03:21:36
Message: <541e7c80$1@news.povray.org>
On 20-9-2014 19:51, MichaelJF wrote:
> If you have a proper inside vector you can bend mesh2 objects with the approach
> by Chris Colefax. In this case, mesh2 objects can be handled like other CSG
> objects (spheres, boxes and so on). I have done this with my snails
> (http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagenewdisplay/stills/index345.html) which consists of
> a mesh2 object and a blob with thousands of components. In fact I did not
> understood Chris's parameters and wrote an own approach, but very similiar to
> Chris, since I judged it easier to implement it by myself than to understand his
> parametrisations.

Not sure, but I think that /bending/ an object will be much slower to 
render, especially if there are 15000 of them ;-)

>
> @Thomas: The Mud Maid at the "Lost Gardens of Heligan" (I spend my holydays this
> year very close to this garden) is a sculpture consisting of mud, clay, cement,
> gras, ivy and moss and she is laying at the left side of her body to the ground,
> so no much grass at the left side if standing;-)

Ah yes, the Lost Gardens! I unfortunately missed those when I stayed in 
Penzance many years ago. Only much later I heard about them. I hope 
/your/ Mud Maid will make it here or perhaps at the TC-RTC.

Thomas


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 21 Sep 2014 15:45:00
Message: <web.541f29e7efc76542181323a20@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>
> Not sure, but I think that /bending/ an object will be much slower to
> render, especially if there are 15000 of them ;-)

Yes, indeed, the rendering time is heavily increased with this approach. The
only option to reduce it a little bit is to give proper bounding boxes
(bounded_by) since bounding with csg-differences or -intersections are not
implemented as one would expect in POV. But I think this would be a very hard
job, and so I can understand, that this issue has not been addressed so far.

>
> >
> > @Thomas: The Mud Maid at the "Lost Gardens of Heligan" (I spend my holydays this
> > year very close to this garden) is a sculpture consisting of mud, clay, cement,
> > gras, ivy and moss and she is laying at the left side of her body to the ground,
> > so no much grass at the left side if standing;-)
>
> Ah yes, the Lost Gardens! I unfortunately missed those when I stayed in
> Penzance many years ago. Only much later I heard about them. I hope
> /your/ Mud Maid will make it here or perhaps at the TC-RTC.
>
> Thomas

I really hope that this WIP will make it to the contest. At the moment I have no
idea to link my imagined image to the topic. May be the Men-An-Tol as a stargate
at the background, just to keep it cornish.


Best regards,
Michael


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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 03:19:37
Message: <541fcd89$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote on 19/09/2014 14.18:
> I have attached my code and the used reed stalk, in p.b.s-f.
>
> Explore and enjoy!
>
> Thomas
>
This one is very credible! It needs only some animals, now.
Are you starting a new image for the POV-Ray Hall of Fame?
Paolo


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 03:29:20
Message: <541fcfd0$1@news.povray.org>
On 22-9-2014 9:19, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> This one is very credible! It needs only some animals, now.
> Are you starting a new image for the POV-Ray Hall of Fame?
> Paolo

Thanks Paolo, I am quite satisfied too :-) But it is far from HoF 
quality and I guess my work in general generally falls short of that 
too. It is not my aim (as if it were me to decide ;-) )

Thomas


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 04:30:45
Message: <541FDE25.1020807@gmail.com>
On 19-9-2014 14:18, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> I have attached my code and the used reed stalk, in p.b.s-f.
>
> Explore and enjoy!
>
> Thomas
>
Much better than my attempt of (my god, i'm getting old) seven years 
ago. I didn't dare to choose a close camera point at the time.

(The image is of course an illustarion of the glycocalyx, although I 
don't expect many of you are familiar with that. It is the layer of long 
proteins on the inside of bloodvessels that for a sort of gel and 
protect the bloodcells from colliding with the walls.)


-- 
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 06:15:31
Message: <541ff6c3$1@news.povray.org>
On 22/09/2014 09:30, andrel wrote:
> On 19-9-2014 14:18, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I have attached my code and the used reed stalk, in p.b.s-f.
>>
>> Explore and enjoy!
>>
>> Thomas
>>
> Much better than my attempt of (my god, i'm getting old) seven years
> ago. I didn't dare to choose a close camera point at the time.
>
> (The image is of course an illustarion of the glycocalyx, although I
> don't expect many of you are familiar with that. It is the layer of long
> proteins on the inside of bloodvessels that for a sort of gel and
> protect the bloodcells from colliding with the walls.)
>
>

LOL
Well done.
Friesian cows I assume. But why?



-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 07:19:02
Message: <542005a6@news.povray.org>
On 22-9-2014 10:30, andrel wrote:
> On 19-9-2014 14:18, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I have attached my code and the used reed stalk, in p.b.s-f.
>>
>> Explore and enjoy!
>>
>> Thomas
>>
> Much better than my attempt of (my god, i'm getting old) seven years
> ago. I didn't dare to choose a close camera point at the time.
>
> (The image is of course an illustarion of the glycocalyx, although I
> don't expect many of you are familiar with that. It is the layer of long
> proteins on the inside of bloodvessels that for a sort of gel and
> protect the bloodcells from colliding with the walls.)
>
>

Oh! I remember that one! A humoristic approach to Waterland indeed. ;-)

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 07:19:40
Message: <542005cc$1@news.povray.org>
On 22-9-2014 12:15, Stephen wrote:
> LOL
> Well done.
> Friesian cows I assume. But why?
>

Why not? ;-)

Thomas


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Proof of concept: The wind in the reeds
Date: 22 Sep 2014 08:11:13
Message: <542011D4.1080606@gmail.com>
On 22-9-2014 12:15, Stephen wrote:
> On 22/09/2014 09:30, andrel wrote:
>> On 19-9-2014 14:18, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> I have attached my code and the used reed stalk, in p.b.s-f.
>>>
>>> Explore and enjoy!
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>> Much better than my attempt of (my god, i'm getting old) seven years
>> ago. I didn't dare to choose a close camera point at the time.
>>
>> (The image is of course an illustarion of the glycocalyx, although I
>> don't expect many of you are familiar with that. It is the layer of long
>> proteins on the inside of bloodvessels that for a sort of gel and
>> protect the bloodcells from colliding with the walls.)
>>
>>
>
> LOL
> Well done.
> Friesian cows I assume. But why?

to emphasize that the scene in the glass container is in fact microscopic.


-- 
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.


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