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Hello Guys,
I am pretty new to all this although I know of povray for more than 10 years
and have followed the IRTC for about the same amount of time. I want to
offer you my help when you decide to implement a new IRTC. I am pretty
experienced in C++ and VB and know a little about web development and I
have the time to do this now.
If we want to write a new (read decent) upload and voting system that
whatever chat client you guys prefer and talk this trough.
I have a few suggestions of how this new system could work better and with
Only remember that rebuilding a system from scratch will take at least 3
months to work out the major problems.
public Email is Nap### [at] yahoo fr
Koen Van Vlasselaer
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> "Doctor John" <doc### [at] linuxmailorg> wrote:
> > >
> > One very simple one - Why don't we start our own competition?
>
Besides I think this competition has a certain "flavor" or spirit to it
which I like very much, and that would be difficult, if not impossible, to
match in another competition.
There is something charming and mysterious about the IRTC. I never figured
out exactly who is who and the admins are always hidden behind a veil of
invisibility. Us participants can just look up to them in awe and hope to
be noticed....
Think about the mysterious comment:
"from file: notable for textures, lighting, composition, modelling" :-)
who writes that stuff anyway??? Looks like a standard comment, sometimes you
get several of them, maybe with some small variation.
At least it looks like somebody is watching us from "above".
I sincerely hope that person is reading this thread and will soon send us a
note, telling us everything is O.K. and we got nothing to worry about. That
they just had a minor technical problem and everything will be soon sorted
out.... happy ending.
On a more serious note:
There must be a way to find out what exactly is going on!
Hildur
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"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote:
> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> > "Doctor John" <doc### [at] linuxmailorg> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > One very simple one - Why don't we start our own competition?
> >
>
Nor am I Hildur, but when will you be convinced? In 50 days time?
They know these messages are here. If they don't, that's how much they
care. I would have posted *something* by now if I was admin.
It's coming up for 24 days...
That's not fair to a world-wide community. :o/
~Steve~
> Hildur
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> Nor am I Hildur, but when will you be convinced? In 50 days time?
>
> They know these messages are here. If they don't, that's how much they
> care. I would have posted *something* by now if I was admin.
>
> It's coming up for 24 days...
>
> That's not fair to a world-wide community. :o/
>
> ~Steve~
to all those who have put so much effort into their 3d work and contributed
to this competition.
whatsoever, which means that we have to write an old fashioned letter and
put it in the post if we want to contact him?
If this turns out to be the case.... us feeling left out in the cold,
feeling sorry for ourselves, nobody cares about us poor IRTC submitters,
all the time this poor guy, sitting in the middle of nowhere, biting off his
message out: The current topic is.... or maybe something happened to him
and nobody knows about it yet.
I think we have to know for sure before we start discussing other
arrangements.
I guess us Povers have developed a unique kind of patience after raytracing
complicated radiosity scenes for years. In our world good things happen
VERY slowly....
zzzzzzzzzzzz
Maybe we should start a "who can guess the current topic" competition while
we wait?
Hildur
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"Hildur K." <hil### [at] 3dcafemailevery1net> wrote:
> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> > "Doctor John" <doc### [at] linuxmailorg> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > One very simple one - Why don't we start our own competition?
> >
>
a group together and start drawing up some plans in case. I sincerely hope
that IRTC comes out of hibernation (soon).
Maintaining a system like the IRTC is trouble enough. Designing, building
the gun and that all plans make can be put in the recycle bin
Staying hidden on the internet is easy enough once the system runs only a
few will know who created it and who is maintaining it. Wrapping yourself
in a veil of mystery, certainly in this case, is more of a problem to a
Being open in the community and taking part in it. Getting hailed when
everything runs smooth and blasted when everything fails shows courage,
Hiding and silence when everything goes wrong is easy enough and I would go
At least I would have put an announcement on the front page telling people
Napivo
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I agree up to 100% with this.
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote in message
news:45b711cd@news.povray.org...
>I agree up to 100% with this.
I agree too, but surely there should be some kind of back-up system
where Hildurs' scenario becomes the case?
<shrug>
~Steve~
>
> Thomas
>
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> My own preference would be (but that's just my 2 cents):
>
> - open a new thread in irtc.stills (or irtc.general? that ng doesn't seem to
> be so alive...)
> - post a call for answers in povray.general, povray.international, and on
> the news.lightning-generator.org/povray.general (the french-speaking pov-ray
> forum)
Also as these newsgroups are not the official site for discussion for
the IRTC could someone post a couple of messages on the official mailing
lists? http://www.irtc.org/mlists.html
(I'd post but as I've never submitted an entry....)
Seeing as you've just shown your strawberry on the French fora, I'd say
you were an ideal candidate for pestering them :-)
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> - post a call for answers in povray.general, povray.international, and on
> the news.lightning-generator.org/povray.general (the french-speaking pov-ray
> forum)
> - ask people to give comments, voice concern, give suggestions
> - ask them to give their relation to IRTC (winners, submitters, browsers),
> although this would not be of prime importance in my view.
> - after a suitable period of time, somebody could bundle all this in one
> message and send it petition-like to Chris Cason, with a copy to the IRTC
> admin.
>
> To tell the truth, Hildur, I believe you have voiced very effectively the
> concerns of a lot of people here. You are quite good at it, I think.
>
Well, I would feel delinquent if I did not voice my concern here also.
Posting as a response to you, Thomas, because you have put so much good
will and good energy into this community of late.
I admit that the IRTC has not been a focus for me personally, for some
time, but I would certainly would be sad to see it expire.
It has some unique and venerable characteristics. For one, the voting
system, with its pragmatic attempt to quantify factors for appreciating
a raytracing. Two, it's topic system...it's kinda nerdy, which is just
how we like it. There is a real comfort level to it which has lead to
some wonderful moments, creatively, over it's history. Three, the
patheon of talent that continues to show up year after year and mix,
good naturedly with the newcomers. Four, it's international scope, and
potential for fometing goodwill. Afterall, imagemaking is a very
intellectually and emotionally revealing enterprise.
I would like, possibly, to go back through the archives of entries and
just revisit some of the riches that are to be found there.
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I think that whatever we can say from now on concerning the ITRC and its
managers, we won't have neither a quick solution for the competition, nor
an quick answer to our question "what is going on?". It seems obvious to me
that the concerned people are aware of the situation and of our concern. So,
it is useless harrassing them any more and feeding the polemics. They know
we are wondering and that some of us are likely and ready to
help/participate/take the lead if necessary to continue the competition,
whatever the form it will take.
For now, I can propose an idea that came up to my mind. The current periodis
now too much out of date. The next 'offical topic' will come for the next
period (March/April). This may be considered as too long by some of us
here.
So why not quickly set up a pseudo-competition here, discuss a 'simple'
topic, for the rest of the current period, ie Jan/Feb, with end-Feb as dead
line? No real evaluation with anonymous notation and ranking, just an
appreciation by people here. For me this can motivate people and keep us in
the 'competition mood' and keep it warm, until someting official is decided.
Bruno
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