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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
news:46e3f496@news.povray.org...
> Hi Steve,
>
> hope you're doing better?
Illness-wise? I never was ill*. I meant in the first instance that I
felt bad letting all you guys down. :o(
*But that's debatable in an everyday family kind of way.
Has the tc-rtc admin team any
> plans on tweaking the voting system, or re-running the last vote with all
> submission in place, in the making?
> Just asking out of curiousity, as always :)
Yes, I know Markus... This is all being dealt with. As soon as it is
dealt with, I'll post the news, but please be patient, I've got two arms and
two legs to 'play origami with' first... ;)
~Steve~
>
> -Markus
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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: Voting system - steve, colin, any plans?
Date: 9 Sep 2007 13:12:29
Message: <46e4297d$1@news.povray.org>
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St. wrote:
> Yes, I know Markus... This is all being dealt with. As soon as it is
> dealt with, I'll post the news, but please be patient, I've got two arms and
> two legs to 'play origami with' first... ;)
>
Okay, that's the sound of me shutting up now. :)
-M
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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
news:46e4297d$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>
>> Yes, I know Markus... This is all being dealt with. As soon as it is
>> dealt with, I'll post the news, but please be patient, I've got two arms
>> and two legs to 'play origami with' first... ;)
>>
>
> Okay, that's the sound of me shutting up now. :)
No, please don't, I appreciate your thoughts, and what you say.
Seriously.
I know I fk'd up bigtime, and that's hard for me to take, but today, I
received an email from someone (a Pover) that explained it in text in a way
that will enlighten said origami figure even though I've explained it all
verbally *many* times now.
If you can decipher that Markus, (and I'm sure you can), then you will
know where *I'm* coming from.
Later,
~Steve~
>
> -M
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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: Voting system - steve, colin, any plans?
Date: 9 Sep 2007 17:06:34
Message: <46e4605a@news.povray.org>
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St. wrote:
> I know I fk'd up bigtime, and that's hard for me to take, but today, I
> received an email from someone (a Pover) that explained it in text in a way
> that will enlighten said origami figure even though I've explained it all
> verbally *many* times now.
>
> If you can decipher that Markus, (and I'm sure you can), then you will
> know where *I'm* coming from.
Ah!
Uh.
(scratch scratch)
... no? :)
You lost me somewhere in there - i've a "useful" grip on the
english language when it comes to user's manuals and reading
web pages, but i'm afraid i may lack the understanding of
the finer things of origami. i.e. i just know there's some
message in your paragraphs above that keeps on escaping me. :)
Hey, and no need to feel bad just because it wasn't perfect
on the first try! You managed to make a "living" webpage
available, and that's more than can be said for the IRTC
right now!
We all live and learn :)
-M
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Markus Altendorff wrote:
> Ah!
>
> Uh.
>
> (scratch scratch)
>
> ... no? :)
>
> You lost me somewhere in there - i've a "useful" grip on the english
> language when it comes to user's manuals and reading web pages, but i'm
> afraid i may lack the understanding of the finer things of origami. i.e.
> i just know there's some message in your paragraphs above that keeps on
> escaping me. :)
Well, I'm a native English speaker (well, at least as close as Americans
can get) and he lost me, too.
--
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom wtr### [at] calpolyedu
You know you've been raytracing too long when you know exactly what a
scene look likes after reading only its POV script.
-- Taps a.k.a. Tapio Vocadlo
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"Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
news:46e4605a@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>> If you can decipher that Markus, (and I'm sure you can), then you
>> will know where *I'm* coming from.
>
> Ah!
>
> Uh.
>
> (scratch scratch)
>
> ... no? :)
Then my code worked. :)
>
> You lost me somewhere in there - i've a "useful" grip on the english
> language when it comes to user's manuals and reading web pages, but i'm
> afraid i may lack the understanding of the finer things of origami. i.e. i
> just know there's some message in your paragraphs above that keeps on
> escaping me. :)
Well, it's easy really. What do you do with origami? Bend it, fold it,
twist it, bend it, fold it, twist it. Put this in context with the words
'arms' and 'legs', and it becomes clearer. The reference to "said origami
figure" is a kind of euphemism for the word 'Colin'. ;)
Seriously, here lies the problem. I say "do A" and he does "B". But, you
have to understand where he's coming from too. I've explained what the
community is like here, I've explained how 'passionate' we all are about
this, I've explained how long we've all been doing this, and I've explained
how hard we all work at our hobby. I've explained that some projects can
result in 1+GB folders (my folder for the image "Dumped"
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2006-08-31/dumped.jpg is 1.51GB!)
indicating *how* hard we work at it. But, he just doesn't understand it at
all.
I saw him last week and asked if we could have the voting period extended
to after all the images and animations are in and he says "Why?" "It's all
there for them, why don't they just vote?", and I say "Well, these guys are
from all around the world, different time zones and such", and he says,
"Well, why don't they just make *sure* that they vote on time?" And I say,
"yes, but this is a hobby, people have to work and then do their hobby in
their spare time, so sometimes they're hard-pushed to get to the deadline on
time, and anyway, if a guy has worked his/her butt off and uploads at the
last minute, then surely that isn't fair to that person who will get a low
vote for possibly the best image/animation." So then he says, "Well, why
don't you announce all the topics for the whole year, that way they know the
topics in advance and can work on their images/animations with plenty of
time to spare, so everyone should get fair votes."
Me: "But that won't work."
Him: "Why?"
Me: "Because it leaves room for cheating."
Him: "Cheating?? Who are we dealing with here?"
See? See what I'm up against? The upshot of all this is that I'd ask you
guys if announcing the topic a week earlier would be ok, thereby
effectively giving us all a weeks grace to finish our images/animations and
then (in theory) have time available to vote and comment in that last week.
So, I'll leave that for you all to comment on.
Meanwhile, there are other issues too. Friday afternoon, I received the
FTP PW and UN, but, it's absolutely useless. Everything is tied into the
database with coding, stuff like; $CURRENT and $BODY, and I'm no coder, so I
can't physically 'do' anything myself, well, not in a normal HTML way, that
is. I tried it. If I change *one* letter on that home page, it kills the
"view the winning image" links, and the two thumb links, but *not* the other
links underneath, oh no, they're fine. It's just plain weird. So I've got to
get that sorted out, (if I can).
Anyway, today, I'm sending the email that I received yesterday to Colin
because 1) it explains everything in a way that's so much better than I've
explained it already, but also confirms what I've explained, and 2) it's not
coming from me. Fingers crossed.
>
> Hey, and no need to feel bad just because it wasn't perfect on the first
> try!
But I do feel bad Markus. At the moment, I'm a very emotional guy, (I've
always been emotional, but the things that are happening around me right now
have boosted that by 100%). It's like I'm losing every battle with
everything I do, and I'm being dragged backwards, not making strives
forwards. It's a weird feeling, because outwardly, I'm a strong guy that can
take it on the chin, but inside, it's just not good. I feel like a
hard-boiled egg waiting to be peeled.
You managed to make a "living" webpage
> available, and that's more than can be said for the IRTC right now!
>
> We all live and learn :)
Well, "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!" :)
~Steve~
>
> -M
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From: Markus Altendorff
Subject: Re: Voting system - steve, colin, any plans?
Date: 10 Sep 2007 05:14:16
Message: <46e50ae8$1@news.povray.org>
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St. wrote:
>
> Seriously, here lies the problem. I say "do A" and he does "B". But, you
> have to understand where he's coming from too. I've explained what the
> community is like here, I've explained how 'passionate' we all are about
> this, I've explained how long we've all been doing this, and I've explained
> how hard we all work at our hobby. I've explained that some projects can
> result in 1+GB folders (my folder for the image "Dumped"
> http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2006-08-31/dumped.jpg is 1.51GB!)
> indicating *how* hard we work at it. But, he just doesn't understand it at
> all.
>
Odd... i thought the very idea of "voting while the list on the ballot
keeps on changing" would seem strange to *anyone* :)
> Well, "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings!" :)
That figure of speech i know ! :)
(thanks to my two decades of listening to pop music - The Lightning
Seeds do have this line in one of their singles)
-M
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Voting system - steve, colin, any plans?
Date: 10 Sep 2007 07:50:19
Message: <46e52f7b$1@news.povray.org>
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Hey Steve! You have an interesting communication paradox with Colin! It made
me grin most widely and you oregami metafor is well choosen, but I realize
this can be fairly frustrating most of the time. Keep it up! You have our
wholehearted support to back you up!
Don't feel bad. It's going all right (We have not yet been yelling abuse at
you, have we?). Being emotional is all right too if you are able to express
it properly. I know what I am talking about, being emotional but also fairly
closed. And, well, it sounds a bit lame, but there are just moments in time
when everything seems to go down the drain (hey! reminds me of that Tim
Nikias image) but my experience - for what it's worth - is that it often
forms the preliminary to sustainable growth, spiritual insight, renewed
strengh, whatever is needed. So, don't dispair.
[end of sermon by Rev. Thomas; congregation bows head and weeps]
Thomas
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St. wrote:
> "Markus Altendorff" <maa### [at] anthrosphinxde> wrote in message
> news:46e3f496@news.povray.org...
>
>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>hope you're doing better?
>
>
> Illness-wise? I never was ill*. I meant in the first instance that I
> felt bad letting all you guys down. :o(
>
I didn't/don't feel let down, there is nothing for you to feel bad about.
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Ok, an update for you.
I sent that email that I received yesterday to Colint this morning, and
now he understands.
This is what he proposes:
a) We have Period 1 > 8 weeks
i) Images can be uploaded
ii) No voting is allowed
b) We have Period 2 > 1 week
i) No images can be uploaded
ii) Voting is allowed
iii) Voting is only allowed if all images/animations are voted on.
He can obviously do it this way, (just wish he'd grasped this in the
first place though), but it will take a while, about 3 - 4 weeks. Now, where
it says "We have Period 2 - 1 week", he says that this can be 2 weeks if you
want.
So, overall, is this what we want, and do we want 1 week or 2 weeks
voting and commenting time?
~Steve~
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