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From: Txemi Jendrix
Subject: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 1 Sep 2003 12:09:07
Message: <3f536f23@news.povray.org>
Hi all.
I'm back from vacation and checking the ftp site I found
there is a new topic "Decay" and the zip files of the
surrealism round are ready to download.
Good luck to all the entrants (including me ;-)
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com


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From: JC (Exether)
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 1 Sep 2003 14:16:33
Message: <3f538d01$1@news.povray.org>
Waoww, I looked at the images, and I can tell surrealism is a very high 
level round !! (I'm not talking of my entry of course :-)

JC

Txemi Jendrix wrote:
> Hi all.
> I'm back from vacation and checking the ftp site I found
> there is a new topic "Decay" and the zip files of the
> surrealism round are ready to download.
> Good luck to all the entrants (including me ;-)
> Bye
> 
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
> 
> 
>


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From: William Pokorny
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 1 Sep 2003 15:25:01
Message: <web.3f539ca332318703615b792c0@news.povray.org>
Yes indeed! I too am very impressed with the entries this round. Strong,
inventive and expressive images from top to bottom.

JC (Exether) wrote:
>Waoww, I looked at the images, and I can tell surrealism is a very high
>level round !! (I'm not talking of my entry of course :-)
>
>JC


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 1 Sep 2003 17:49:41
Message: <3f53bef4@news.povray.org>
"William Pokorny" <pokorny_attglobal_net> wrote:

> Yes indeed! I too am very impressed with the entries this 
> round. Strong, inventive and expressive images from top 
> to bottom.
> 

I can't see that much was expressed in the last round, but there are some
damn beautiful images for sure. I'm voting this round, so I will get a
chance to go through the images slowly and will likely see a lot of
important details which I missed in the rush.

I am excited about the 'Decay' round more than other recent rounds because
there are fewer cliches than in topics like 'Mystery' or 'Surrealism,' and
the cliches which do exist (rusted out pickups, very old people, ruins,
moldy gravestones, etc.) will for the most part require some extremely
technical modeling. The next one will be wide open. I don't expect to see a
lot of "been there, done that" in the 'Decay' round.

 -Shay


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From: gonzo
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 1 Sep 2003 18:53:16
Message: <3f53cddc@news.povray.org>
Txemi Jendrix <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message
news:3f536f23@news.povray.org...
> Hi all.
> I'm back from vacation and checking the ftp site I found
> there is a new topic "Decay" and the zip files of the
> surrealism round are ready to download.
> Good luck to all the entrants (including me ;-)
> Bye
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com


WOW!  Some nice stuff there!  A quick browse shows a lot of excellent images
with a nice variety of interpretation.

Gonna be tough to score.

RG  -  I knew I picked the wrong week to give up LSD


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 2 Sep 2003 16:01:46
Message: <3f54f72a@news.povray.org>
"Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message
news:3f536f23@news.povray.org...

I'm surprised that more people aren't expressing some enthusiasm about
this topic. I'm really interested because for the first time in a while,
we couldn't all guess what the winning entry will look like from day
one. I guess there's a decent chance that it will be a flower or small
tree growing amongst rubble, but there's also a very good chance that it
will be something which we have never seen in the IRTC before.

The commenting in this forum has revealed some really interesting
aspects of seemingly ordinary pictures, and there is usually at least
one picture in each round which I find extremely impressive, but I'd
like to see a round with pictures the very concepts of which make me
think "whoa...what the f***?" instead of "what a well done variation of
that theme."

That being said, I doubt that I will be able to come up with anything
for the decay round. When I see something decayed, I am usually struck
more by the resilience of what remains or the strength of whatever force
is causing something to decay rather than the actual decay itself. I
guess I'm too optimistic for this one.

 -Shay


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 3 Sep 2003 02:53:13
Message: <3f558fd9$1@news.povray.org>
Shay wrote:
> "Txemi Jendrix" <tji### [at] euskalnetnet> wrote in message
> news:3f536f23@news.povray.org...
> 
> I'm surprised that more people aren't expressing some enthusiasm about
> this topic. I'm really interested because for the first time in a while,
> we couldn't all guess what the winning entry will look like from day
> one. I guess there's a decent chance that it will be a flower or small
> tree growing amongst rubble, but there's also a very good chance that it
> will be something which we have never seen in the IRTC before.
> 
> The commenting in this forum has revealed some really interesting
> aspects of seemingly ordinary pictures, and there is usually at least
> one picture in each round which I find extremely impressive, but I'd
> like to see a round with pictures the very concepts of which make me
> think "whoa...what the f***?" instead of "what a well done variation of
> that theme."
> 
> That being said, I doubt that I will be able to come up with anything
> for the decay round. When I see something decayed, I am usually struck
> more by the resilience of what remains or the strength of whatever force
> is causing something to decay rather than the actual decay itself. I
> guess I'm too optimistic for this one.
> 
>  -Shay
> 
>
Okay, since you ask ...

Decay is a subject I have circled around and toyed with over the years 
but never actually confronted.  I was mostly intriqued by the question 
of whether the processes of decay, in say a human corpse, would be equal 
in complexity to the processes of life in the same body.  This was when 
I was about 33 or 34 and living an irresponsible, unemployed painter's 
life in Toronto.  At the time I was working in a number styles, one of 
which was painting on rattan mats, putting a separate paint stroke on 
each thatch. I thought about decay and painted each thatch.  I 
considered encrypting the chemical formulas of the byproducts of decay 
into the patterns I was painting, but rejected the idea.  The painting 
was about 6x9 feet, (several mats) and took me over two years to 
complete.  Eventually I brought it over the border
to New York and sold it to an interior design firm who used it in 
decorating a bank.  Meanwhile, back in NY, I met up again with a 
beautiful young woman who had been a student of mine at Ohio State.  She 
had gone to grad school at Yale and was in a show at White Columns here 
in NY.  Her paintings, were still lifes of fruit, where the fruits were 
assembled into molecular models of the chemicals which are the products 
of organic decay.  Oh brother! Back in the OSU days I had tried to 
seduce her but she was stiff as a board. In New York we somehow got in a 
fight and parted as enemies.  Still, I think "decay" can be one of the 
great themes of life.  I am going to be thinking about processes where 
humans could be considered the agents of decay.  The beaches of Southern 
India come to mind, where I believe huge cargo ships are taken apart for 
scrap by armies of barefoot laborers.  That was my first idea anyway, 
when I saw the topic.

-Jim


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 3 Sep 2003 11:01:00
Message: <3f56022c@news.povray.org>
"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message
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|
| Decay is a subject I have circled around and toyed with
| over the years but never actually confronted.  I was
| mostly intriqued by the question of whether the processes
| of decay, in say a human corpse, would be equal
| in complexity to the processes of life in the same body.

This is the type of thing that I had trouble with in deciding on a theme
for the round (I have since chosen one). Things like human decay don't
make an impression on me. As an atheist, I only see a body as working
(alive) or broken (dead). The decay process just doesn't have any
significance.

|
| At the time I was working in a number styles, one of
| which was painting on rattan mats, putting a separate
| paint stroke on each thatch. I thought about decay
| and painted each thatch.

I'm in good company then. This is *remotely* similar to what I am doing
for the 'Decay' round. I have what I consider a good idea because it
could *only* be done with the precision of a computer.

|
| Back in the OSU days I had tried to seduce her but she
| was stiff as a board.

Lesbian b***h, lol.

|
| The beaches of Southern India come to mind, where I believe
| huge cargo ships are taken apart for scrap by armies of
| barefoot laborers.  That was my first idea anyway, when I
| saw the topic.

I work with a guy from India who sells parts from those very ships.
Again, this is something with which I cannon associate as negative a
concept as "decay." Maybe dispersion? Absorption? Decay to me suggests
more a thing that is going to waste without being used or reused, like a
certain part of the anatomy of the previously mentioned ex-student.

 -Shay


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 3 Sep 2003 16:48:14
Message: <3f56538e$1@news.povray.org>
> I work with a guy from India who sells parts from those very ships.

Maybe he has some pics?

> Again, this is something with which I cannon associate as negative a
> concept as "decay." Maybe dispersion? Absorption? Decay to me suggests
> more a thing that is going to waste 

Ah so for me it is more like decomposition, a natural process but 
'decay' depending on your point of view.  Putrifaction to me is 
sustenance to a maggot.  For you is is more like a blight?  A 
despoilation?  Hmmm still not there yet.  But I get what you mean about 
negative.  That does raise the ante.  Still, can't negative from one
point of view be positive from another?


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From: Jeremy M  Praay
Subject: Re: New IRTC Topic "Decay"
Date: 4 Sep 2003 08:26:44
Message: <3f572f84$1@news.povray.org>
Don't forget "Moral decay" (assuming you're not amoral).  ;-)

I have a general concept in mind, and I love it. Whether or not I could make
it work well is another matter entirely.  Additionally, I plan to be quite
busy over the next couple months, so I'm not even sure I'll have the time to
enter this round.  Or...  Maybe my skills have increased to the extent that
I can make a good entry in less than 100 hours...

If you think about decay, it seems like it has to be a challenging topic for
POV-Ray.  POV-Ray is great for making perfectly straight/round/shaped
objects, but when you want to start deforming those objects, it becomes much
more of a challenge.  Perhaps it's the challenge that is beckoning me.  I do
enjoy a good challenge.  ;-)

-- 
Jeremy


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