clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:

> For instance, since 1960 the solar output has been declining.

See???!!   CLIMATE CHANGE!!!
_Impending threat_ of another ICE AGE!!!!
Panic!
Pass more legislation without reading it!
"We" _must_ ***DO*** ........... SOMETHING!!!!



Sorry, I just find the claim that human generated CO2 is the be-all end-all
cause of "global warming" --- I mean, "Climate Change".

Correlation does not imply causation, and
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

And all I see is some pretty fishy things going on, with agendas and computer
models, and people being pretty fast and loose with whatever facts there might
be, and massaging and manipulating and cherry picking the data, and then
shouting down anyone who dares even question the premise, the model(s), or the
conclusion.

I was a scientist in a past life, and I got to get a long, close look at the way
the game is played, and who the players are.  Take 5 minutes, and look into even
the mundane fields - and they're rife with vested interest.

I've regularly seen people take "creative license" with reporting research
results, avoiding doing the obvious experiment because that would settle the
issue right away and therefore end funding, make the most tenuous of
hypothetical connections between their pet research project and "cancer
research", diabetes, you-name-it.   I was struggling with the latest "Here, go
cut down the largest tree in the forest with ---- A HERRING!" project, when my
research "advisor" told me to "just get the data for your thesis" (*).  I said,
"What do you want me to do --- lie?"
His response:  "If you have to."
That's pretty much when I quit.

There's plenty of things in the world of "science" that I just don't trust.

https://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/89/i28/8928notw1.html
http://retractionwatch.com/2016/08/04/why-did-a-chemistry-journal-fix-fraud-with-a-correction-instead-of-a-retraction/
https://nzic.org.nz/CiNZ/articles/CiNZ%20Jul%202011_rubin.pdf
http://cen.acs.org/articles/88/i32/Fraud-Chemistry.html?type=paidArticleContent
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/chemistrys-colossal-fraud/3000886.article

just to give a taste.

Then there's the issue that over 10% of the things that people submit to a
journal - where they know the results are going to be checked for accuracy and
reproducibility, and the scientists have everything right there in front of
them, on a manageable scale, and all the equipment to unambiguously see what's
going on - aren't able to be reproduced.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/op500341h

But you're gonna tell me that I need to TRUST ---- an entire pyramid and chain
of things to the point where we're going to put a _government_ in control of
people's livelihoods on that basis alone....

Nope.

[So glad this is in off-topic, otherwise I'd request a povray.politics
subgroup...   :D ]



(*) You had to be there, to know that I'd been trying _everything_ in [and out
of] the book to "get it done", and really hear _the tone_ and see the manner
that was used, to properly interpret what was being said.   That he just came
right out and replied to my question that way was pretty surprising.

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